- cross-posted to:
- automotive@discuss.tchncs.de
- cross-posted to:
- automotive@discuss.tchncs.de
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No problem, I have got some prime rust inhibitor to sell you. Easy to apply and long lasting. Shame though, newly manufactured vehicles should not already rust.
newly manufactured vehicles should not already rust.
Seems to be a trend these days, unfortunately.
I think if Rust people want C and C++ devs to switch over, there needs to be a lot more documentation that’s easy to follow on how exactly to do that. For example with Swift there’s an amazing tutorial called Swift for C++ Practitioners that step-by-step goes over all the equivalent functionality and how to translate existing concepts over from one language to the other. I think Swift at least has the edge there with familiarity because the syntax physically looks closer to C-like languages, so when that’s not the case, even more hand-holding is going to be necessary IMO.
In case you’re still interested in this type of resource, here’s another one I just learned about: https://google.github.io/comprehensive-rust/
It’s by the Android team at Google, and while it doesn’t require knowledge of C++, it seems to be intended to bring devs up to speed on the concepts required for using Rust in Android and Chromium.
all the equivalent functionality and how to translate existing concepts over from one language to the other.
Antithetical would be the word to describe this, I think. Although I’ve seen such titled content.
Automotive developers successfully switched from barely-knowing-C to barely-knowing-C++. Surely, they will be equally successful in switching to barely-knowing-Rust.
I’ll take a guy who barely knows Rust over someone who barely knows C/C++ every day of the week (and twice on Sunday)
There are lots of guides, tutorials and documentation. The responsibility is no longer on someone else, it is up to the individuals to actually read any of them. And to be honest, if you are unable to use them to learn rust, maybe your c++ skills isn’t that impressive either.
https://bpbonline.com/products/rust-for-c-programmers?variant=42560853639368 is one if found using a tool called search engine…
There are lots of guides, tutorials and documentation.
is one I found using a tool called search engine…
Strange. That’s not what I get when I search for “Rust for C++ programmers”. I get flooded with anecdotal accounts/posts from people on Reddit and YouTube talking about their love or hate towards Rust.
Then there’s 3 hour-or-longer videos about Rust which target C++ devs directly. Two are from 2022 and 2019 with one from 2023. Only the 2022 video starts from basics with features that a C++ dev would actually need to understand, like ownership, borrowing, and references. One jumps right into multithreading ideas by discussing mutex. The other jumps into how everything is made “easier” because the compile does borrow-checking instead of having the developer manage it.
These videos probably aren’t bad, but they don’t touch on the larger “gotchas” that C++ maintainers will be scratching their head at, like explicit lifetimes, inevitable headaches with error handling, and reference/target mutability. Some of them are a good start, but they mostly focus on just technical features. It’s difficult to find a resource that helps you learn how to plan out your project early on so you’re not refactoring later due to the topics mentioned earlier.
And to be honest, if you are unable to use them to learn rust, maybe your c++ skills isn’t that impressive either.
And this is why 6% of non-Rust users have cited the community as a barrier of entry. Immediate pettiness and hostility rather than trying to get the best resources into the hands of newcomers.
Ok, so we use different search engine so you didn’t find this particular hit. But, do you really claim that learning material is an issue here. And about my attitude, yes, I was a bit cranky. In general, you can ask any stupid question, heck I ask stupid questions all the time and they will be answered kindly. The rust community knows that lifetimes and stuff like that is complicated.
However, I’m quite fed up with the attitude that it is someone elses obligation to spoon feed you with knowledge that exists right under the nose… and that is a very common attitude amongst the “For rust to succeed…” evangelists.
