The measure received 14 votes in favour, with the US the sole member to reject it. However, because the US is a permanent member of the council, it has the ability to veto any resolution brought forward

Unlike several previous resolutions regarding a ceasefire in Gaza, Wednesday’s measure was brought forward by all 10 elected members of the Security Council.

The US has vetoed four previous attempts at calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, on most occasions being the lone vote against the measures.

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      Shows he and the Democratic leaders never intended to end the genicide. Just another sign the democrats no longer support anyone but the oligarchy. Yes the Republicans are worse by alot but people that are anti genicide, anti oligarchy, anti fascism, anti authoritarianism, etc don’t have a party to vote for. Only the level of oppression they will see in the next 4 years.

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      The right thing is to enact a ceasefire in exchange for the immediate release of all Isreali hostages.

      The US was right to veto this unenforceable, performative UN bullshit on the grounds that it didn’t call for the immediate release of the hostages.

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        I hate to break it to you but any hostages are most likely dead. Probably killed by the IDF themselves. The people of Gaza are also starving to death. You think POW’s are getting first dibs? They won’t agree to release them because there aren’t any alive.

        I could be wrong but there’s my 2 cents.

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          Return the bodies then.

          Frankly I hope that they are dead, because the idea of living in a dungeon under Gaza being raped and tortured every day for 13 months is horrific.

          And if Hamas has lost track of even the hostages bodies then I don’t envy them, because it seems that they’ve lost what little bargaining position they once had. Uh oh for them.

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          sort the hostages after.

          “Sort” the hostages “after” what?

          So in your imagination Israel unilaterally stops fighting against Hamas while (a) Hamas continues to hold civilians hostage, doing all manners of physical and psychological torture to people who only happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and (b) Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and tribal gangs continue to wage attacks against Israel? And then (and only then), Israel comes back to the negotiating table with Hamas once again for yet another round of negotiations to try to free the hostages, only for Hamas to decide to move the goalposts?

          Is this really the type of illogical nonsense people here believe in?

          No wonder this shit has been going on for decades… Y’all have lost your damn minds if you think that the world works this way.

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            Stop the genocide. Stop the killing of innocent civilians. Now.

            Then, reach a deal for the hostages, like the ones Netanyahu has repeatedly shot down.

            Then, end the occupation: get Israel the fuck out of Gaza, the fuck out of the West Bank, the fuck out of East Jerusalem, back to their 1967 borders.

            Or, if you don’t think this is realistic (and it isn’t because with almost a million settlers, the Israeli right has destroyed the material conditions required for the 2 state solution) prefer cleaner solutions, end Jewish supremacy in Greater Israel (Israel+West Bank+Gaza+Golan+Shebaa). One state, one democracy, equal rights for everyone.

            Persecute all war criminals, Israeli and Palestinian. Then run a truth and reconciliation process, with reparations.

            Justice, right? Crazy, I know. Illogical shit.

            Here’s the catch: without justice there will be no peace. Enjoy your endless cycle of violence.

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              There is no “justice” in any circumstances in which the hostages are not immediately returned.

              Then, reach a deal for the hostages, like the ones Netanyahu has repeatedly shot down.

              So you’re literally just confirming this:

              So in your imagination Israel unilaterally stops fighting against Hamas while (a) Hamas continues to hold civilians hostage, doing all manners of physical and psychological torture to people who only happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and (b) Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and tribal gangs continue to wage attacks against Israel? And then (and only then), Israel comes back to the negotiating table with Hamas once again for yet another round of negotiations to try to free the hostages, only for Hamas to decide to move the goalposts?

              You must have read “Art of the Deal”.

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                  If you could argue against what I said you wouldn’t resort to putting words in my mouth, mate.

                  And if you could read you would know that both Israelies and Palestinians are the “local population” with somewhat dubious historic claims over the land spanning back >3000 years.

                  Need I remind you that it was the British that drew the maps that have lead us to where we are today?

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                Explain why Israeli lives matter more than Palestinian lives. Like, be precise.

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                  Who said they are? Only you so far.

                  You should be more precise with your weird, non sequitur questions.

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        The second paragraph reads:

        The draft resolution was aimed at calling for an “immediate, unconditional, and permanent ceasefire” in Gaza and the release of all hostages held by Palestinian groups in the enclave.

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    What absolute pieces of shit. Can’t even bother to do the right thing when it doesn’t even matter anymore.

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      Why is it wrong to call for the immediate release of the Israeli hostages in Gaza in exchange for a ceasefire? How does the prolonged suffering of the hostages and their families help the people of Gaza in any way? Is a unilateral ceasefire that doesn’t guarantee the immediate return of the hostages “doing the right thing” to you?

      Not that it never mattered anyway. The UN doesn’t control whether a ceasefire happens or not, only the Israelis and Palestinians can decide when to lay down their weapons and release the hostages–and that should have happened a fucking year ago.

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        Stop putting words in other people’s mouths.

        The ceasefire is about widescale collective punishment of a population that is half children resulting in famine and genocide. My point is the Biden administration could do the right thing for once instead of enabling it until the bitter end.

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          I’m not putting words in your mouth…

          The US’s stated reason for rejecting the [toothless, unenforceable, bureaucratic, performative] UN ceasefire proposal was that it did not call for the “immediate release of Israeli hostages from Gaza”.

          To that end, you said that they “can’t even bother to do the right thing when it doesn’t even matter anymore”, which to me very clearly shows that you believe that it is wrong (or, not right) to reject an agreement that fails to call for the immediate release of the hostages.

          In my view, the right thing to do is very, very simple–as simple as it has been for over 13 months: agree to a ceasefire in exchange for the immediate release of all Israeli hostages in Gaza (dead or alive). A unilateral ceasefire that doesn’t guarantee the immediate return of hostages doesn’t make any sense to me, how about you?

          It was also “collective punishment” for Hamas to go on a rampage on October 6th, 2023, raping, murdering and kidnapping innocent Israeli civilians, including men, women, children and seniors. Some of these hostages, if they are even still alive, have been held in what kind of horrific conditions for more than a year… Kept in a dungeon, repeatedly tortured, never having seen the light of day for over a fucking year… Something tells me you wouldn’t be so quick to agree to a unilateral ceasefire if someone you loved was held captive for 13 months, now would you?

          The US was right to reject this performative political UN bullshit.

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            You’re so right, a terrorist organization kidnapped civilians after launching a single day invasion via hang glider.

            Better not hold the nation state with jet powered aircraft and tanks waging a 400 day invasion to a higher standard than the common terrorist.

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              Now who’s putting words in other people’s mouths? 😂

              If you had a leg to stand on in this discussion you wouldn’t resort to pathetic non sequitur.

              Hamas was [supposedly] the legitimately elected government of the Gaza Strip. To think that they could go on a murderous rampage (in which they killed more people in a single day than the Israelis have in any day since then, by the way), take hostages back into Gaza, hide behind innocent women and children like the worthless pathetic Islamist terrorist cowards that they are, and not face the direct consequences of their actions, is a joke.

              I guess when you worship a pedophile who spread his ideology through violent genocide (including in historical Gaza), logic and consequence isn’t your strong point.

              Still, I don’t understand why you are so dramatically opposed to the idea of releasing the hostages? What’s in it for you that these people are needlessly tortured? Do you think it helps offset the harm against the innocent Gazans?

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        Braindead take right here. The US has blocked UN peacekeeping forces from curtailing Israeli war crimes since this conflict began.

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        She is literally vice president, and also had Q&As with the population saying she is in full support of Israel.

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          The Vice President does have a powerful voice, but except for very specific situations they don’t have any power. So while Harris may have more or less supported Israel’s war, as a Vice President she can’t do anything about it. She also won’t become the president so this whole discussion is mute.

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    Wtf is wrong with these people. I only voted for them bcz the alternative is a fascist piece of shit. I fucking hate this country.

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      Is it so wrong to demand the immediate release of Israeli hostages in Gaza in exchange for an immediate ceasefire?

      That seems like a reasonable agreement to me. The innocent people of Gaza have derived absolutely no benefit from having Israeli civilians being taken captive, maimed, raped and tortured for over 13 months. Release the damn hostages and end the bloodshed.

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    Why are they even allowed to vote over their own war? Oh I meant Israel’s. My bad.

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    I’m not a US citizen, but I can understand why some people didn’t wanna vote this time.

    Even though Trump might be worse than Biden when it comes to this conflict, how can anyone vote for Kamala knowing that the death of more innocents will be on their conscience?

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      it’s like the trolley problem. would you rather have more people die or a smaller but still sizable amount of people die? unfortunately in America there are only 2 viable candidates.

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    Is there any future where the Security Council is abolished?

    Like, where everyone gets tired of this shit from the U.S, Russia, and China, and Europe uses their weight to end it?

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    This is so odd, I was told only Trump was bad for Palestine, and that he would give Israel a free pass to do whatever it wants.

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      Nobody has said only Trump would be bad.

      The second part is true though.

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        No more true than the free pass the Dems are giving Israel already. Nothing changes for Palestinians when the Dems are just as complacent and enabling as shown here and many times previously.

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      Nobody ever told you that “only” Trump was bad for Palestine.

      If you need to lie to promote your viewpoint, then your viewpoint is shit.

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    The United States on Wednesday vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution demanding an immediate cease-fire in the war in Gaza because it was not linked to an immediate release of hostages taken captive by Hamas militants in Israel in October 2023. [Source: https://apnews.com/article/un-gaza-resolution-veto-hamas-israel-hostages-b5281432fc2acdc1860adb3015392c0b]

    Despite the knee-jerk reaction from uninformed people here, they were absolutely right to veto it.

    Any ceasefire deal should obviously demand the immediate release of every remaining Israeli hostage.

    There is simply no justification for the withholding of these hostages who have been tortured and raped in Palestinian captivity for >13 months. The civilians of Gaza do NOT benefit from the continued torture of Israeli civilian hostages, so what is the rationale for not calling for their immediate release? Release the damn hostages, and only then can we have a meaningful path towards a ceasefire.