I never thought about it like this but it’s so right 😭😭
Ok but why do people think the ancient aliens thing is racist or is demeaning? There are lots of episodes of the show that talk about Europe so it’s not just “brown people couldn’t build that so it must be aliens!” It’s not even an offensive show. It’s an interesting thing to think about. 99% of the episodes probably have no chance of being the truth, but is it really inconceivable that aliens visited earth? Or that they influenced our culture?
but is it really inconceivable that aliens visited earth? Or that they influenced our culture?
Actually. yes.
Okay, so lets take this one thing at a time.the solar system is actually quite boring. It’s pretty typical. there’s no surprising elements. there’s no materials that we haven’t detected in several other worlds and such. as far as we know, it’s a pretty bog standard star, with a pretty bog standard system. the ONLY thing worthing noting- that makes this system unique is us. More specifically. Life. it has life. As far as we know, it’s totally unique. (we don’t know all that far.)
This means, we’re the only reason any society would come here. it’s easy to assume there are resources much closer to home, much more easily harvested and exploited.
now, establishing that, lets look at how they’d know we’d exist:
- the JWST is our most sensitive space borne telescope. it’s capable of identifying atmospheric compounds of exoplanets. some of those compounds, we associate heavily with the presence of life; it’s reasonable to assume any species capable of coming here would have such technology. It’s detected such things on several worlds over the past year that it’s been active; and has been answering questions and opening new ones for that year.
It’s therefore possible that some hypothetical society could identify our presence from such a similar telescope. This gives the outer bound of detection of life at something like four million years. Lots of stars exist in that bubble. Lots. I mean, I don’t know that we actually have a count on how many. JWST is finding more all the time
This assumes they’re looking at it. maybe those ‘earliest life’ compounds are… how shall we say super common. Maybe they’r emore interested in say industrial pollutants? The industrial revolution started in 1760- about 250 years ago. Lets say those pollutants weren’t really concentrated enough to be highly obvious, until 50 years after the start. that would mean 200 lightyears is the minimum distance to know that humans were altering the enviroment, specifically.
- alternatively, they could have detected our radio transmissions. We’re a noisy species. the Arecebo message was sent to messier 13 in '74- about 50 years ago. it wasn’t a serious attempt to contact anyone, but it’s a powerful signal that could attract attention. We’ve been broadcasting into space for about a hundred years. here’s a picture of just how small 200LY’s is,
but that article fails to talk about detectability. Most signals we transmit would be indistinguisable from background radiation. probably the oldest signals that would reliably be detectable are military radar signals intended for detection of ballistic missiles.- creating a bubble with a 60ly radius. 40 for a steady stream of soaps and reality tv.
lets be honest hear. aliens watching Days of Our Lives Reruns probably get a bad impression. And lets not talk about all the, uh, premium, channels.
ALL THAT to say, it’s extremely unlikely they actually know we’re here.
Now, we need to consider would they come here. Hypothetically, they could be curious about us. Hypothetically, they want to know how Land Before Time Saga ends. (hey, the last one was in 2016. unless they’re at proxima centauri, no chance they’ve seen it yet!)
it would be a serious undertaking to even have the ability to get here in a reasonable time frame… it would take a shit load of energy. Like, on the order of global annual energy consumption. And that’s just for the payload. Forget about the size and mass of the fuel tanks necessary- and just to get up to speed. This doesn’t include the whole ‘slowing down so we can moon them’ thing.
basically… any species capable of getting here, and motivated by curiosity about us enough to get here, is probably going to abstain simply because they have the ability to realize we’re psychotic fucks who nuked ourselves. multiple times. It’s extremely unlikely that any society capable of getting here won’t have enough social control in place to prevent idiots from joyriding and mooning the psychotic primitive apes. because if you think nuking people is bad, we won’t even need nukes. Just take their giant rocket and point it at the planet- no need to even slow down. (actually, it works better if you don’t!)
Do I believe aliens Exist? I believe it’s probable.
Do I believe they’ve come here- ever? Highly unlikely.Ignore that other person. This was well written and interesting, I read it all the way through.
Ancient Europe = basically mud huts = no ancient aliens
Rest of the ancient world = ancient engineering marvels = ancient aliens
What’s the issue?
Yea, people just apply racism to everything instead of thinking about it for a second.
Ah yes, the Parthenon, most famous of the mud huts.
2000 years after the pyramids. Racism could be a part of it, but it’s really impressive what the Egyptians did with the technology at the time.
That is one of the things I’m uneasy about with shows like Stargate, despite how much I enjoy them.
Instead of just discovering the aliens on other worlds, or arriving in the present time, somehow they were here all along. Instead of humans creating and advancing civilization on their own, they were at best guided by outside influences with vast resources and technology advanced beyond what we even have today.
It also means basing your sciencey story on blatant lies.
I dislike it more when it’s a part of time travel stories, where you basically have your main characters go back to take personal credit for something that real people actually did.
I never quite understood the stargate mythos. Did all the goulds live here on earth, which is why earth culture is so diverse? Ra and Apophis in Egypt, lord Yu in China, the asgard in scandinavia etc. That doesn’t make sense because the system lords all control their own space right? It’s hard to imagine one big happy gould family on one planet. But then how and why did earth culture come to adopt all the other gould cultures? I just don’t get it. I actually really like the part about humans ultimately becoming one of the galactic superpowers at the end of SG-1 and Atlantis.
Obviously the worldbuilding and writing wasn’t done under a microscope like tolkein level continuity and isn’t meant to be taken seriously. It’s a miracle SG-1 lasted ten seasons and they were all fantastic, even 9 and 10. Its success is mostly just good old fashioned terrific entertaining writing and chemistry between the cast and crew.
One thing Earth has going for it is that it seems to be the by far most populated planet in the galaxy. Don’t know how far back in time that would’ve applied, but most Goa’uld controlled civilizations appear small compared to ancient kingdoms and city-states.
So even with only millions of people, that could’ve been enough to have multiple distinct realms without direct conflict. They could also have been separated by time. Yu and Ra were contemporaries, but Apophis might not have been. We know that all the other System Lords are younger than Yu.
Or most of them didn’t stay for long, they built their empires elsewhere, with slaves from Earth.