Walking back/groveling in hopes of becoming veep? Pathetic.
DeSantis would never accept veep, and Trump wouldn’t accept him either.
They’re two narcissists, they could never work together.
At the same time, DeSantis is smart enough to never directly attack Trump, because DeSantis knows that Trump is more popular among the far right extremists that make up DeSantis’ base than DeSantis himself.
That must grind his gears, playing second fiddle to a twice impeached loser like Trump.
weak. all these sycophants kiss the ting at some point. the GQP needs to die
I know you meant kiss the ring, but kiss the ting actually works better!
What a huge surprise!
It is actually impressive to see such a poorly run campaign, it was not too long ago that Desantis was being pitched as the heir apparent to Trump, an alternative who was smarter and without the scandals and baggage.
We have now seen him pass legislation that is incredibly unpopular on a national level with the abortion ban, pick an embarrassing fight with his states biggest employer, and he’s so unwilling to go against Trump that he’s defending his biggest competitor.
Absolutely bitchmade.
Whatever happens, these Republican scumbags always have each other’s back.
Now I am not saying that Democrats should ever protect corrupt Democrats who have been impeached and indicted TWICE, but having some semblance of unity within the party would help get them to pass so much more legislation. It is amazing to see Republicans back party members who have been caught doing this, or even admitted to do that, but Democrats can’t come together to pass some bills they even agree on.
Like wrangling cats.
Awe sha his bestie
birds of a feather…
I don’t really see how Trump would be found guilty of anything that happened on that day. Pretty sure the only things he said mentioning the events were for people to be peaceful and respect the law enforcement officials in a few tweets. That’s all I’ve seen from either side in terms of his “inciting an insurrection” - have I missed something?
The indictments are clearly politically motivated. That’s an issue in itself. He is absolutely no doubt guilty of a lot of crimes, but I don’t think this one is going to stick unless there’s some more evidence that I’ve missed but that the people wanting him in jail haven’t shared for some odd reason.
“And we fight. We fight like hell And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
Donald Trump, January 6th, 2021
This is what he told the crowd on TV right before the attempted insurrection.
Yeah that’s not gonna stick.
I would bet dollars to doughnuts that they have communication between Trump and the Proud Boys and/or other far right groups coordinating the attacks. Jack Smith has a 99% conviction rate, and he is not going to recommend indictment without some pretty iron-clad evidence. Just because the evidence hasn’t been made public yet doesn’t mean that the prosecution doesn’t have it.
No doubt there is much evidence yet to be revealed, just more icing on the cake. Doesn’t really matter though, we all saw it live on TV, and nothing will happen to Donald that’s for sure, maybe some light questioning. Anyone waiting for him to be arrested or behind bars or even held accountable is fooling themselves. His natural death is the only way the world can rid itself of his poison. Even then, it will linger on like a sickness and take some time to heal.
Unless they do then Jack Smiths 99% conviction rate is taking a hit. The “evidence” that people in here are saying proves he incited an insurrection absolutely does nothing of the sort.
Dude, I hope you don’t think that Jack Smith is going to recommend an indictment based on a few things that Trump said at the rally. This guy is a former war crimes prosecutor, he’s not going to issue an indictment unless he’s got the goods. Just because we don’t know what that evidence is, doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have Trump (and I hope some others) dead to rights.
You’re…agreeing with me.
I’m saying that based on what anyone here has seen, Trump isn’t being found guilty of inciting an insurrection. I just said “unless they do” then his conviction rate is taking a hit. If he does then great, good on him, I hope it’s better than the “evidence” that people have been using in this thread.
It’s really bizarre how people in here are so delusional that they think someone saying “we need to fight back!” is enough legal evidence to get someone put in jail for “inciting an insurrection”, despite also saying to be peaceful and to respect and cooperate with all law enforcement lol.
Well of course nothing will come of it. But that is inciting an insurrection, open and shut. Too bad true justice doesn’t exist.
That’s not at all inciting an insurrection lol. There’s zero mention or even hint of breaking into the capital building.
No, what he did and said is precisely inciting an insurrection and that’s why he will be indicted for it.
Care to explain where in that quote he is inciting an insurrection?
Ask Mr. Smith you fool.
Ask Mr. Smith you fool.
It’s kinda hilarious that the one Trump supporter and Trump-supporting legal expert in this conversation is on an Australian server.
I’m not a trump supporter in any way. The guy’s an absolute idiot. If I was american I wouldn’t vote for him in a million years. He can go to jail for all I care, it doesn’t affect me in any way. After some of his comments he most likely has done many things that should have put him there.
The evidence people have pointed out in this topic are not enough to put him in jail though. Anyone that thinks it is has rocks in their head.
Did you not watch the impeachment trial? He took down the metal detectors, he told the crowd to fight and March, he tried to show up in person, he told Kevin McCarthy that he won’t tell the crowd to leave even though lives are at risk.
The words, “And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.” were some of the last words of his speech that day.
Followed by telling his crowd to march down Pennsylvania Ave.
There is also some evidence of rough coordination between people linked to Trump and people planning violence before the insurrection.
Take note, the rough evidence is what’s already public, Jack Smith likely has evidence that has not been made public yet.
This “rough evidence” is nowhere near enough for anyone to say he incited an insurrection. It wouldn’t even make it to court. Unless they have other undisclosed to the public evidence, this is a dead end.
I’d say this is just another way to thwart his presidential campaign. The timing is no coincidence.
And before everyone gets their knickers in a knot - if I was American I wouldn’t vote for trump. The guys a shitty business man and a shitty sex pest person.
Literal evidence of his inner circle working with insurrectionists, the same insurrectionists who had been planning an assault on the capital for weeks.
The rough coordination, not rough evidence, was that most of the interactions seem to have been in person, and the full planning was done mostly by the people who would be breaking into the capital.
We just don’t have public info that directly links Trump himself to the people who literally planned murder that day.
We do, however, have links to many of his inner circle and those same people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/05/us/politics/trump-proud-boys-capitol-riot.html
As to incitement, anyone who listened to Trumps election lies for months on end, and then gathered to listen to more lies in that Jan 6th speech, knows that Trump wanted a riot to stop the certification of the election that he lost.
He tried to have his Secret Service detail take him to the capital, they refused, and Trump literally hit his driver over the head because of it.
Mick Pence was seconds away from getting into a car to evacuate, and then refused. This was the moment that Trump’s plan failed. That’s how close we came to a successful coup.
We just don’t have public info that directly links Trump himself to the people who literally planned murder that day.
Cool, that’s what I’ve been saying - based on the public evidence there’s nothing that can put Trump in jail for inciting an insurrection.
That’s how close we came to a successful coup.
You think a bunch of people breaking in to a building and taking selfies is a coup? Come on…really? How exactly do you guys think that this “insurrection” and “coup” was actually going to overthrow the government?
Make no mistake, we do have quite a bit of public evidence of his coup attempts.
And the public information we do have on Jan 6th alone is pretty damning as well. Just watch or read the Jan 6th committee reports.
Trump knew damn well he was starting a riot, and had to be forced to call it off, but only did so when he was told that it had failed.
Kevin McCarthy even called Trump during the riot, begging him to call it off, and Trump said no.
All we lacked, was a direct tie between Donald Trump himself and the Oath Keepers/Proud Boys. You know, the worst of the people with pre-meditated plans to break into the capital building. The people who had capture/kill lists that included prominent democratic representatives and also Mike Pence, who Trump tweeted “had let them down”. Which only fueled the riot more.
The Jan 6th report has everything else. Trump planned the riot, he planned to send his followers to the capital, he planned that part weeks in advance.
His close advisors then went on random conspiracy media appearances and used phrases like “this is 1776”.
So you had weeks of Trump building up his lies and the violent rhetoric, and then on the day of the speech, he sends the crowd to the capital screaming that they had to “fight like hell” or else they wouldn’t have a country anymore.
Trump then tried to have his driver take him to watch the chaos unfold.
And then people like you, who would have been in the capital building that day hunting for Mike Pence, come out and say “no it wasn’t an attempt to violently overthrow the government, we swear”.
Face it, the Orange would be tyrant is going to prison. Hopefully for the rest of his life. However long that is, for his bloated ass.
Sigh.
Again - I wouldn’t vote for trump in a million years. The guy is a moron. No, I would not have been there hunting for mike pence.
You guys need to stop the baseless accusations.
The Jan 6 Committee was a democrat PR job, nothing more. It was made by the democrats, for the democrats. Everyone knew what the outcome was going to be the second it was announced. Shockingly, the expected outcome was the outcome you got lol. Just like any companies “we investigated ourself and found we did no wrongdoing”, the democrats investigated the republican president and found he was a very naughty boy and of course was guilty of what they wanted him to be guilty of.
Trump can rot in jail for the rest of his life for all I care. It doesn’t affect me. All I care about is the fairness of proceedings.
A Democrat PR job? They compiled a very thorough report that laid out exactly what Trump was doing, with full context. The fact that most Republicans refused to even join the committee when asked was telling. It says that almost all Republicans are okay with coup attempts if it’s a Republican making the attempt.
Trump literally tried several coup strategies. Do you remember the Raffensperger phone call? Trump’s “perfect phone call”?
That was a coup attempt.
When it failed, he tried again, and again, and that all lead to the coup attempt on Jan 6th.
The fact that you’re still trying to deflect and defend Trump is telling. Claiming that it’s “not fair” when the fucker should be in jail awaiting trial. That would be fair.
