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North Korea is sending more balloons carrying rubbish across the heavily fortified southern border, South Korea’s military has said.
It comes just days after North Korea appeared to send at least 200 balloons carrying rubbish over the border in retaliation for propaganda leaflets sent from the south.
South Korea’s defence minister Shin Won-sik called it “unimaginably petty and low-grade behaviour” while the military added it is examining the contents of the bags floated over the border by the balloons.
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I was thinking Pooyan.
Wow this looks sick as heck!
It’s a fun game, but gets hard quickly. I lost a lot of quarters to it back in the 80s. I had the C-64 version too.
Hell yeah, Pooyan!
people in the South Korean capital to refrain from touching balloons
carrying toilet paper,
Yeah… I mean, probably a good idea in general, but particularly in North Korea’s case.
I understand that North Korea can’t afford chemical fertilizer, so they use human waste, which has resulted in problems with parasites that are transmitted through fecal matter making their way through the population.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42021373
A North Korean soldier who was shot while fleeing across the border has an extremely high level of parasites in his intestines, his doctors say.
The defector crossed the demilitarised zone on Monday, but was shot several times by North Korean border guards.
Doctors say the patient is stable - but “an enormous number” of worms in his body are contaminating his wounds and making his situation worse.
His condition is thought to give a rare insight into life in North Korea.
“I’ve never seen anything like this in my 20 years as a physician,” South Korean doctor Lee Cook-jong told journalists, explaining that the longest worm removed from the patient’s intestines was 27cm (11in) long.
“I don’t know what is happening in North Korea, but I found many parasites when examining other defectors,” Professor Seong Min of Dankook University Medical School was quoted by the Korea Biomedical Review as saying.
Parasites which enter the body via contaminated food are often worms.
The soldier’s food may have been contaminated because the North still uses human faeces as fertiliser, known as “night soil”.
Lee Min-bok, a North Korean agriculture expert, told Reuters: “Chemical fertiliser was supplied by the state until the 1970s. By the 1990s, the state could not supply it any more, so farmers started to use a lot of night soil instead.”
If these faeces are untreated and fertilise vegetables that are later eaten uncooked, the parasites get into the mouth and the intestines of the person.
I’m not a farming or a defense expert but iirc North Korea has a lot of military equipment (north korea propaganda consists of them showing off all their toys, after all) which means they have a lot of guns which means they need ammunition and surely they manufacture their own ammunition or at least some of it. This involves nitrogen production plants. Can they not use some of that to make nitrate fertilizer?
It sounds like they do both import and manufacture some, but it sounds like they can’t do sufficient of either to eliminate reliance on human waste from the system.
kagis
This was 2020:
During the past 10 years, North Korea has undertaken a number of modernization projects at the Hungnam Fertilizer Complex, one of the nation’s oldest and largest chemical complexes. While the majority of these have been large undertakings such as the First- and Second-phase Lignite Gasification Plants in the western section of the complex, a number of smaller projects have also been undertaken. Most recently has been the construction of a small “liquid nutrient fertilizer factory.”
Here’s 2021:
May 1 marks the one-year anniversary of the opening of the Sunchon Phosphatic Fertilizer Factory.[1] The factory is an important piece in Kim Jong Un’s push to build up North Korea’s domestic chemical industry and fertilizer production, as part of larger efforts to increase agricultural production and save foreign currency. However, after 12 months, it remains unclear if the plant is fully operational. Commercial satellite imagery over the last year indicates a gradual increase of activity throughout the complex, but no major activity was observed, and no state industrial achievements for this site were reported. This suggests that production is likely still at an early stage.
2022:
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/manure-02012022130916.html
Yearly ‘battle’ begins in North Korea over human waste for fertilizer
Citizens once again steal human feces from each other’s toilets to meet impossibly high quotas.
In impoverished North Korea, farmland is fertilized using human waste, and the government tasks every household with yearly collection quotas.
RFA reported in January 2019 that households were struggling to meet an impossible quota amounting to 100 kilograms (220 pounds) per able-bodied citizen per day.
“On the 25th, several residents from Marum village in Sunam district had a dispute with the people of nearby Sinhyang village as the Marumers were trying to collect human feces from a communal toilet located within Sinhyang,” the source said.
“After the authorities imposed their orders for every citizen to produce manure, conflicts are erupting… as the people venture into other districts,” he said.
The order to produce manure went out to every institution, company, school, and neighborhood watch unit according to the source.
The source said each resident must deliver the 300 kilograms of manure by early March at the latest to a cooperative farm to use as fertilizer.
https://www.dailynk.com/english/north-korea-pushes-fertilizer-production-despite-lack-urea/
North Korean authorities are pushing fertilizer production, even though they are not supplying urea, a necessary raw material. This is leading to complaints on the ground, with workers saying that fertilizer without urea does nothing to boost agricultural production.
A source in South Pyongan Province told Daily NK on Monday that a recent plenary meeting of the provincial party committee decided to send even more organic compound fertilizer to small family plots in the province “based on the experience and lessons of last year.” The meeting said fertilizer supply was a vital link to increasing grain production by more than a ton per jongbo (about 9,900 square meters), tasking farms with producing organic compound fertilizer.
North Korea has been conducting a sweeping campaign to boost food production this year with the goal of increasing grain production by more than a ton per jongbo. Basically, the authorities have tasked ordinary people with producing organic compound fertilizer as a key task to achieving party goals.
On the ground, however, people are complaining that the authorities are simply demanding production without providing the urea needed to produce organic compound fertilizer. That is to say, the authorities are making unreasonable demands even though fertilizer without urea cannot raise agricultural production.
The source said in most cities and counties in the province, people use commonly available peat moss or manure to produce organic compound fertilizer, but this needs a certain amount of urea to work.
He said the provincial party meeting made no mention of providing urea. He added that in this case, agriculture will not thrive just because you tasked people with producing organic compound fertilizer.
North Korea has been experiencing severe difficulties producing fertilizer due to urea supply shortages. The aftermath of China’s curbs on urea exports apparently continues.
Here’s 2023:
https://www.nknews.org/pro/fertilizer-chemical-tops-north-koreas-imports-from-china-in-december/
Expert says DPRK has long lacked fertilizer for farming and likely purchased chemical with recent ‘additional revenues’
North Korea procured record quantities of a fertilizer chemical from China in December, knocking imports of human hair for wigs off the top spot.
North Korea and China trade spiked to a four-year high of nearly $260 million in the last month of 2023, and NK Pro analysis of line-item data from China’s General Administration of Customs shows that the DPRK imported record quantities of a chemical used in fertilizers in December.
Pyongyang procured almost 40,000 tons of diammonium hydrogen orthophosphate worth $25.3 million, representing a nearly 25-fold jump from November and its highest monthly value in 2023.
Here’s 2024:
https://www.38north.org/articles/affiliates/north-korean-economy-watch/21856/
The Namhung Youth Chemical Complex, north of Pyongyang, produces fertilizer and coal gas using anthracite mined in the area. North Korean leader Kim Jong Un visited the site in 2013.
High-pressure valves and jet sprays at the complex have become too worn for continued use, according to reports the Korea International Trade Association received from North Korea in January. Without replacement parts, it is unclear when the plant can resume work.
The suspension hinders North Korea’s push to lift its meager agricultural output. Kim last year ordered a boost in fertilizer production and attended a completion ceremony for a separate fertilizer plant. Coal gas also serves as a valuable industrial energy source for the country, which faces an oil embargo in response to its nuclear and missile testing.
Why does your comment say
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?
I searched for the thing using Kagi, a search engine. Like “googling” to search with Google. I’m indicating that I didn’t know the fact or specific quote in advance, was looking it up.
Monkeys flinging shit: the science version
This is the best summary I could come up with:
North Korea is sending more balloons carrying rubbish across the heavily fortified southern border, South Korea’s military has said.It comes just days after North Korea appeared to send at least 200 balloons carrying rubbish over the border in retaliation for propaganda leaflets sent from the south.South Korea’s defence minister Shin Won-sik called it “unimaginably petty and low-grade behaviour” while the military added it is examining the contents of the bags floated over the border by the balloons.North Korea has yet to comment on the latest batch of balloons, but on Thursday, vice-defence minister Kim Kang Il warned waste paper and filth would be sent over the border so the South could appreciate how much effort it takes to remove them.
South Korea’s military asked the public to avoid touching the balloons and report them to authorities, according to a statement on Saturday reported by news agency Yonhap.A public message asked people in the South Korean capital to refrain from touching balloons “identified in the sky near Seoul” and to report them as these were “being handled by the military”.Other regional governments had been asked to broadcast similar messages, the defence ministry said.Late on Tuesday, residents living in Seoul and in the border region received text messages from provincial authorities asking them to “refrain from outdoor activities”.They were also asked to file a report at the nearest military base or police station if they spot an “unidentified object”.South Korean authorities said the bags “contained filthy waste and trash” and were being analysed by relevant authorities.
Photographs shared on social media show bags attached via string to white translucent balloons carrying toilet paper, dark soil and batteries, among other contents.Police and military officers are seen in some of these photographs.South Korea’s Yonhap news agency reported that “some of the fallen balloons carried what appears to be faeces, judging from its dark colour and odour”.South Korea’s military condemned the act as a “clear violation of international law”.
North and South Korea have both used balloons in their propaganda campaigns since the Korean War in the 1950s.Recent incidents come days after North Korea said it would retaliate against the “frequent scattering of leaflets and other rubbish” in border areas by activists in the South.In addition to anti-Pyongyang propaganda, activists in South Korea have launched balloons carrying among other things, cash, banned media content and even Choco Pies - a South Korean snack banned in the North.
Earlier this month, a South Korea-based activist group claimed it had sent 20 balloons carrying anti-Pyongyang leaflets and USB sticks containing Korean pop music and music videos across the border.Seoul’s parliament passed a law in December 2020 that criminalises the launch of anti-Pyongyang leaflets, but critics have raised concerns related to freedom of speech and human rights.North Korea has also launched balloons southward that attacked Seoul’s leaders.
In one such launch in 2016, the balloons reportedly carried toilet paper, cigarette butts and rubbish.
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What people do for media attention…
I mean, if the south side was doing the same shit? Why are they crying now? I genuinely don’t get it. Just playing devil’s advocate to expand my understanding here.
Edit: Please have a conversation with me instead of down voting. Let’s not be another reddit. I said I’m saying this just to understand. 👍
Leaflets in balloons are a bit different then shit and batteries.
Not just leaflets, but also music, music videos, snacks and cash.
In addition to anti-Pyongyang propaganda, activists in South Korea have launched balloons carrying among other things, cash, banned media content and even Choco Pies - a South Korean snack banned in the North.
Earlier this month, a South Korea-based activist group claimed it had sent 20 balloons carrying anti-Pyongyang leaflets and USB sticks containing Korean pop music and music videos across the border.
Music, so dangerous!
You joke, but without KPop, our teens would run riot in the streets.
Not dangerous to the public, but it will be to the government.
If you’ve gone to great lengths to maintain an information bubble and keeping the country cut off from the outside world informationally, and if the government remaining intact relies on that…if the whole thing collapses, I suspect that the life expectancy of the North Korean leadership isn’t too good.
You know I’m bad, I’m bad! 🎶
True. It’s disrespect from both sides though, even though we outsiders consider only the north to be ridiculous. Are the South side trying to enlighten the North’s people or something? What was the agenda there? Like, the larger agenda.
I agree, it is disrespectful for both
I can understand that the south would view it as spreading culture or “enlightening” as you mentioned, since the North is a locked down authoritarian country.
I like how everyone agreeing with me gets up votes, but I get a million down votes, lmao.
But yeah. Us non-North Koreans obviously favor what the South is doing more than the North, and North knows it’s full of shit and their propaganda won’t work so they just send garbage and shit. But still. Both sides should stop.
I agree, either floating stuff into neighboring countries is fine or it’s not.
‘Oh we were sending illegal stuff into your country but it’s OK because we’re the good guys’ is something both sides would say so our media supporting one and deriding the other is silly - and yes they both say they’re sending good things and the enemy is sending bad things.
Exactly my point lol. It’s funny how the ones agreeing with me in the comments get up votes but I get obliterated. 😆 Lots of redditors did migrate here after all, huh. 💀
S. Korean government is the woman before ~20 seconds, N. Korean government is the woman after that point, and I guess regular citizens are like the people in the diner.
Fighting is one thing, poop is another.
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