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- technology@lemmit.online
Six motorcyclists rode into Death Valley National Park on July 6. Only five came out alive. With temperatures reaching 128 degrees Fahrenheit in California, the cyclists faced extreme heat exposure that killed one and sent another to a local hospital, according to the National Park Service.
When there’s a medical emergency like this, helicopters are typically dispatched to get people to a hospital. However, the extreme heat made it impossible for the helicopters to fly.
The next day, an emergency helicopter pilot in Stanford, California had to cancel a flight because the tarmac near a patient was too hot for him to land. As reported by The Washington Post on Wednesday, the pilot said he’d never seen temperatures this bad in his 27-year career.
Extreme heat, as many across the U.S. are experiencing this summer, can cause computer and mechanical systems on board helicopters to overheat and malfunction. But it’s not just a mechanical issue as air pressure is also a factor. Air expands when it’s hot and contracts when it’s cold. As it gets hotter outside, air pressure plummets. The air literally gets thin which means that spinning helicopter blades have less air to cut through and it’s harder for them to achieve lift. That makes it dangerous, and sometimes impossible, to fly.
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People need to start changing their behavior about this heat. I know this sounds like victim blaming. I know people shouldn’t have to change their behavior because we saw global warning coming for 30 years and should have prevented this from happening. But it’s happening. You can’t go into Death Valley in the summer anymore. You just can’t. Please don’t put yourself in this position.
It’s a tragedy that this death happened. We absolutely need to adapt our emergency services to this heat to try to prevent something like this from happening again. But we also need to change our behaviors so we don’t end up in that position in the first place.
I know people shouldn’t have to change their behavior
The whole reason we’re in this situation is because we refuse to change our behavior.
No, we’re in this position because of a failure of leadership. Leaders can unite people behind doing things they don’t want to do. It’s how rationing was tolerated for years in WWII. But we have an entire political party built around telling people what they want to hear while working against their interests for the wealthy’s short term gains. We could have conquered this from the top-down with a good plan and charismatic leaders supporting it.
Except we wont elect leadership that will do something. The electorate has been brainwashed by decades of advertisements that have convinced them that they deserve the very best of everything. Any possible leader that would push for a strong solution to climate change wouldn’t get the votes and they wouldn’t get those corporate “campaign contributions”.
We have two entire political parties built around telling people what they want to hear.
Even mild solutions get shouted down. In Canada we have a carbon tax that mostly ends up getting returned to Canadians in the form of a rebate. Reportedly 80% of Canadians receive more from the rebate than they spend on the tax.
The conservative party have managed to politicize the tax and seem poised to win the next election, with “scrap the tax” being a big part of their platform. We have a province literally going rogue and refusing to pay the tax, causing our tax agency to garnish them essentially.
Shit is fucking wild. All over a marginal tax that benefits poor people and punishes the heaviest polluters. People are so fucking stupid and selfish it drives me fucking nuts.
Leaders can unite people behind doing things
It seems to me that people want to make the world worse, because that’s what people are doing.
“We” is incorrect, it is mostly the rich refusing and sabotaging change,
It’s the global 1% not just the ultra rich
Exactly, a middle class American has an enormous carbon foot print compared to a middle class person in the rest of the world.
This is cope. I know too many people who roleplay as environmentalists, but are fully engaged in consumerism. Friends who look at me funny when I insist that we can have the same conversations over discord that we can when I drive an hour to to see them or who think that Biden’s Green Deal will be enough. My primary concern for the past 30 years, more time then I’ve been an adult, has been to reduce my co2 output or make sure that what co2 I do output has been productive. There’s a huge disconnect between myself and my supposedly like minded friends that can only be explained my a deep unwillingness to be put in any sort of discomfort. So they cope by telling themselves that they deserve this vacation that requires air travel or ignore the mountain of waste that the average movie production produces or that plastic recycling works and you can drink your Pepsi™ if you just put the bottle in the recycling.
If the rich are responsible for all of our problems, we’re responsible for letting them be rich.
Why bother when it’s far too late and nothing is going to change?
Funny how it went from not being real to being far too late. Almost like there’s always a “reason” not to do anything.
What are you going to do about it?
I’m saying your being manipulated into inaction.
Man, it’s almost like it’s called Death Valley for a reason or something
You can still ride safely in Mild Bummer Valley.
Yeah but judging by the success of Liquid Death water, there is a certain group of people who are attracted to things with morbid names.
And behaviour includes food, agriculture, luxuries (like hobbies), etc.
But not gamers, we are doing all the right things already.
I know people shouldn’t have to change their behavior because we saw global warning coming for 30 years and should have prevented this from happening.
no we quite literally do, if we want global warming to not kill our asses faster than our lack of intelligence in a fleeting moment where it mattered, we absolutely do need to change our behaviors.
I never knew that was a thing - crazy.
I don’t understand why anyone would think taking a motorcycle ride through 130F temps is a good idea.
It doesn’t even sound like a fun idea!
But I hate the heat.It’s a terrible idea, having been a biker in socal. You’d think ventilated fabric, even a regular t-shirt with air moving on you from your forward motion would cool you…
It doesn’t. You’re actually adding heat (thermal energy) to your body faster than it can be removed by your sweat glands, the glands cannot output water fast enough to match the thermal energy being injected into you as the hot air passes over your body. You actually need to insulate yourself with a wind blocking jacket, at which point fuck that, stop riding, and wait a few hours.
It’s a very odd sensation, but you understand it almost without explanation if you’ve tried it… So what were these guys thinking, ignoring their body’s alarm bells?
Once the ambient temperature matches your body’s temperature, it’s game over for your physiological cooling system.
Not exactly. If it’s not humid, you can still shed heat through sweating. Evaporation is an endothermic process. It’s a physics equation involving primarily temperature and humidity, but also radiant heat and wind speed. Measuring the wet bulb globe temperature directly is usually easier.
You have to have wet bulb temperatures approaching body temperature for it to actually become lethal - you can still lose heat through perspiration if the humidity is not high enough.
Ambient temperatures of 36-37 C don’t immediately mean game over.
As long as you have enough water to keep sweating and you know, survive.
Naturally. If you don’t have enough water to sweat then you’re in trouble at pretty low temperatures in relative terms.
I heard it’s not even the core temperature but actually pretty low. When I remember correctly it’s around 34C. That’s a Temperature even we in Europe will experience in summer regularly.
AFAIK the second best thing to do when it’s really hot and you’re on a motorcycle is: Make your underwear wet with water and put on your outer layer as insulation. The water will evaporate through your clothes and prevent the body from creating too much sweat which will cause dehydration. Repeat when you get dry.
The best thing ist to not ride a motorcycle for long periods of time under these conditions. I would maybe commute for up to an hour but never ever go touring when the temperatures reach 40C. It’s just too damn hot and you need more water then petrol
High humidity can screw your cooling too, even at lower temperatures.
That’s not true, otherwise Phoenix would be unlivable. It’s close, but not quite there yet.
Six motorcyclists rode into Death Valley National Park on July 6. Only five came out alive. With temperatures reaching 128 degrees Fahrenheit in California, the cyclists…
The shorter word for motorcyclists is “bikers.” “Cyclists” is a term for people that actually pedal.
“Six motorcyclists rode into Death Valley National Park on July 6. Only five came out alive.”
ffs gizmodo, five out of the six survived. That a bit over 83% as a survival rate.
It’s because “all but one survived” would melt their readers’ brains
You’re right about the wording, but I’d say that a four out of five survival rate when it comes to a group of motorcyclists and heat death isn’t really great odds.
My friends and I don’t consider a ride successful unless at least all six of us die
Sounds like the beginning of a riddle.
Same as Russian roulette…
why are people riding motorcycles into death valley? Aren’t you like, advised to not even step out of your car, or like, stop moving. I’m pretty sure there are recommendations on riding motorcycles out there also.
I’d consider it a form of elaborate suicide pact.
yeah no that seems like a fair assessment to me.
Yeah, why would you do sports in death valley?
It’s quite a nice place for that sort of thing … in the spring when the highs are 80 or maybe 90 at the very worst…
and climate change deniers are probably still at it.
No probably about it.
Oh no, what a tragedy, are they saying golfers in the Death Valley have to travel by car like plebs?!
It’s only to get to their private jets in an airfield immediately next to it, but the humanity!!
(Not the Devils Golf Course, thats just named that, the actual thing is in the lowermost point, in ‘Furnace creek’)
Death Valley is not going to be the only place where this is an issue. It could even be an issue where you live at the height of summer.
The climate change & weather models didn’t change all that much in the last 70 years, they just became way more precise & can predict changes very locally (more input data and better computers).
Insurance companies use grids of a few 100km.My region is getting periods of more serve precipitation (with hailstorm increase) & more severe droughts (as in 3 to 4 weeks at a time), bcs of that some areas could become more prone to land/mudslides.
Temperature wise both summer and winter extremes are gonna get higher, but being and more importantly straying between fronts/systems should help ease things, a bit.
But most importantly, I do not have a habit of traveling by helicopters, tho medical transports will suffer, yes.
tho medical transports will suffer, yes.
Putting that at the end like it’s an afterthought when it’s one of the biggest problems is ridiculous. Someone already died because of this problem. It’s going to continue to be a problem where people will die because of that. I’m not sure why you think that isn’t a big deal.
Also, I grew up in the state I’m living in now after not living here for a decade. The difference in summer heat is not minor. We never used to have summers this hot for this long when I was a kid. We had a week last month where the temperature was above 95 every day. Also true for this week. Temperatures in the 90s in June were enough news to make the paper beyond the weather section when I was a kid.
The sun’s only been up for an hour and it’s already 76 degrees. Again, that is not even close to normal when I was growing up. So telling me that it hasn’t changed all that much in the last 70 years when I’ve experienced that change myself over less than 50 is not especially convincing.
… medical transports are one of the biggest problems of climate change?
And what afterthought? It’s in the title of the main post.
Also, who alive for a few decades didn’t notice climate change first hand?
Edit:
Wait, did you not get the sarcasm in my golf course post?
I do not care about golf & golf courses should not exists at all, ever.No, medical transports are one of the biggest problems of helicopters not being able to fly due to climate change, something you mentioned at the very end.
And if the rest of your post wasn’t about “it won’t be too hot for a helicopter most of the time,” I’m not sure what the point was.
That was not what I was trying to say at all. Where did you get that impression?
I was replying directly to:
It could even be an issue where you live at the height of summer.
I was just replying what is and will be happening hereb locally, since you kinda asked/brought up the possibility.
(And yes, during severe storms helicopters can’t fly either)But high temperatures are not the worst of climate change, not even close - it’s the biohabitat loss & all the hydro changes (precipitation, reservoirs, running water, ice and snow coverage, etc).
A lot more people will die (are dying) bcs of lack of clan water (that there was once in abundance), bcs of the diminished agricultural production in their region, and bcs of wars resulting in all those people moving en masse to better regions for pure survival (and wealthy nations will block their entry by force).
Ofc its horrible when someone can’t get to the hospital in a timely manner, but it’s a lot worse if there isn’t a hospital to go to.
And no, I wasn’t sure why would you even bring it up in such a way:
Death Valley is not going to be the only place where this is an issue
I am aware of climate change. I am aware it’s not happening just is one valley. Why would I think that?
