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  • oil and resource industries are pretty well known for being energy intensive no?

    last i checked industry is the primary energy consumer. Sure there’s less people in alaska, but it was just an example i picked, and the market economics would still be applicable there. If it’s cheaper to buy hydrogen, than it is to produce locally sourced power, that’s going to be what happens.


  • yeah thats pretty much the TL;DR here. It’s complicated since oil is complicated and there isn’t really a “insert oil” oil to talk about, there are a lot of variations of it, and a lot of ways to refine it, and a lot of different resultant products from it as well.

    The fact that the modern petro industry even works is kind of insane.






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    the problem with tar sands is a fundamental energy conversion issue. It’s really hard to refine because you don’t get nearly as much energy out as you put in, compared to something like fracking.

    It may become reasonable in the future with really cheap renewable energy and higher oil prices for example, but as of right now, it’s economically unviable.



  • there absolutely is? What if i can buy hydrogen at 1$ per ton, from the hydrogen production empire, meanwhile in the manufacturing empire hydrogen is produced at 2$ per ton. Economically, it would make sense to buy that hydrogen from the hydrogen production empire.

    It’s not going to be as significant as a trade as something like coal and LNG obviously, but the market IS going to do this in some capacity. And it’s a beneficial thing for everybody.



  • you really think this is going to stop the globalism aspect from happening? If you can ship something, and get better market rates on it, you’re going to do it. Economics follows the cheapest route, not the most efficient.

    It also just makes sense if you think about it. Places like alaska are going to struggle to generate green energy compared to another place like, texas for example. If you can ship in green hydrogen much cheaper than you can locally produce energy, why wouldn’t you? It’s a reasonable solution to the problem of supply and demand scaling.




  • the animal kingdom.

    Animals fight and kill eachother over territorial disputes regularly.

    Humans have done this since the beginning of human society. Technology arguably only exists as an extension of being able to kill other people more effectively. Politics is just a mechanism for directing and organizing the effectiveness of modern human society in order to best defend it’s values and resources.

    TL;DR given the ability to influence and control things, humans (or animals) will take the opportunity to do so. Everything around you is just an extension of this ability.


  • the size doesnt matter for aerodynamics, generally, but it matters for physics.

    Drag is a square or cube scaling, i forget which, so at higher speeds it increases disproportionately.

    A larger object has more air to move out of the way, which means more drag. It’s more capable of moving that air with it’s increased volume. But then you also start running into volume to surface area scaling issues. Elephants are really slow for a reason, and it’s the same reason small animals are comparatively fast.