We no longer say RTFM, read the fucking manual, anymore. I wonder why that is. Is it because more and more projects are moving all documentation to discord?
Some projects still have manuals… But there seems to be less expectation people will familiarize themselves with manuals anymore. I wonder why
Rtfm is so unhelpful even when it is correct.
I guess it’s a teach a person to fish mantra, but still.
A lot of the culture around computing used to be just people being huge cunts to beginners so they can feel superior
I never got that impression. I thought people were trying to teach, a little harshly, self-reliance so that people can participate in the community while holding their own and not drowning community volunteers with already answered questions. That are in the FAQ / documentation.
Kind of the opposite of what you get with discord documentation, where people come to the support room and ask the same questions over and over and over and over again, but instead of pointing people at a documentation, they’re really sophisticated projects put a bot which kind of does the same thing
Getting told RTFM then getting banned will get you that impression pretty quickly.
Now if they tell you RTFM then link you to the exact page you need that’s fine, but sometimes they will literally just say RTFM even if you said you looked at the manual and didn’t find anything on what you need.
Yeah that’s usually been the stated reason for as long as I can remember, but that absolutely wasn’t what it was in practice especially earlier on (say the 90’s). Getting help for eg a Linux problem wasn’t exactly a pleasant experience for a long time exactly because people thought they’d be “helpful” by acting like massive assholes
I see what you’re saying, but usually all that was required to get the appropriate help was to say I read the manual, and I tried the XY and z that was suggested that didn’t work. What do I do now?
I think people were just looking for a demonstrated level of self-care, so they could focus on the interesting issues.
I fully concede that it looks awful, very b o f h behavior
Oh yes this is definitely how it would ideally go, on both the part of the one asking the question and the ones answering it, but hoo boy has it not been my experience a lot of the time, although it absolutely has gotten better over the decades. Ye olde Usenet could be a bit of a shitfest for asking technical questions, and so could eg. Linux forums. I’d know this because when I ran into something like that happening and I had the spoons for it, I’d try to be a bit more constructive.
Not all that rarely, the people answering beginners’ questions with something like RTFM at best or abusive diatribe at worst thought what you’re describing is what they were doing, even when the question was completely legitimate and possibly even somewhat nontrivial to piece together from some manual or whatever guide. People have some wildly varying ideas of what constitutes basic knowledge of some subject, and many also seemed to feel that because something was hard for them to learn, it should be hard for others too. And metaphorically kicking people in the teeth (and yes that’s hyperbole) for eg. not reading some FAQ isn’t really going to help anything; people – just like any other animal really – will generally react better to a carrot than a stick.
There’s a reason why it’s still a semicommon stereotype that Linux forums are full of assholes, although thank the fucking gods things are much better nowadays. The best part about writing about this stuff is that sometimes people show up in the comments to prove me right by acting like assholes