I saw someone on Reddit wondering why the community was so sure of Trek going dark again with Paramount not doing so well financially. Seeing the response was unfortunate as most people feel that it might be a bad time for Trek. And I guess it makes sense with the Hollywood strikes as well.
But I was curious what Lemmy thought. Maybe im in denial too but I’m curious if you guys think the worry is warranted.
Studios are not out of money. They just don’t use it wisely. SNW and Lower Decks both have very strong followings. Most of these studios are realizing they make more money syndicating shows elsewhere rather than siloing them on their own service. I’d expect the return of watching shows in lots of places again rather than one single place. The bigger issue right now is the writers and actors strike. The studios need to pay these people and stop being such misers. These are the main drivers of the shows in addition to the crews. Cut some executive salaries. There are multiple series and movies worth of funds being wasted right there.
Even if Paramount+ collapses, “Star Trek” as a franchise will be fine. They’ll just revert to the more traditional model of producing shows and selling them to someone else to distribute.
I’m not sure the currently in-production shows would survive that sort of shift, but the franchise would boldly go on.
SNW and Lower Deck are fucking fantastic. SNW is a true to form traditional Trek show and Lower Decks is funny and diverse enough for those who feel Trek takes itself to seriously.
If Paramount runs afoul of finances I am sure someone will buy the IP rights to at least these. TBH, Strange New Worlds needs to be available on TV and streaming.
I don’t want to see SNW on TV. I don’t think they’ll have to change the content directly, but they’d have to fit to the 42-odd minute runtime. We’ve had several episodes near and over an hour long. It’s very refreshing to see them making episodes as long as they need to be to tell the story.
What, that money is already spent. And spent well.
SNW is awesome. I signed up because a friend recommended. Picard was also good, not as accessible as SNW but I enjoy it.
On to discovery next!
Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but I enjoyed Discovery and hope you do. It took some big swings and not all of them were hits, maybe even a minority of them were, but I respect the desire to do something new and push the franchise forward and it has some legitimately good stuff.
Awesome! I actually started watching lower decks and it too is surprisingly good.
Disney will buy them and make crossover shows with Star Wars.
And Doctor Who
Now that’s wibbly-wobbly!
Disney don’t own the Dr Who IP, the BBC still do, Disney just own the worldwide broadcast rights on D+ outside the UK now.
Wouldn’t most Trek ships and tech be ripped apart with the level of weapon tech in the SW universe?
Both franchises are apt to hand-wave science, so who knows? How does a warp drive compare to a hyperdrive? Blasters to phasers? Thermo detonators to photon torpedoes? Star Wars doesn’t seem to have matter/energy manipulation like replicators and transporters, though, so Trek has an edge there.
It’s healthier than Babylon 5, which is a much smaller property, under the thumb of more incompetent leadership at Warner/AT&T/HBO/Max, and is still coming out with a Blu-Ray remaster later this year.
Trek is fine. There may be some doldrums, but it’s healthier now than in the post-Nemesis (2002) post-Enterprise (2005) landscape. And even then, it was only four years before Star Trek (2009).
Again, there’s a smaller gap between Enterprise and JJ Abrams than there is between Discovery s.1 (2017) and today. Stay calm.
@akhenaten0 @startrek I’m old enough to be a TOS fan *prior* to the movies, much less TNG, so a time when there are *multiple* Trek shows on at the same time is mind-blowing. I really don’t think it likely that there’d be no Trek anywhere, at least for long.
Tales of Star Treks death are greatly exaggerated
The real problem, as I see it, is that P+ has gone out of their way not only to gather all that is Trek under their umbrella, but they’ve gone out of their way to ensure their walled garden is the only place it’s found.
Look to file sharing sites and USENET, where the DMCA has been wielded with gay abandon to decimate access to pirated content. It’s impossible to find full episodes on USENET any more and torrent sites likewise.
What brought ST back in the first place, was syndication. It was cheap enough, every podunk broadcast station could afford to air it, thus creating legions of new fans. This is the exact opposite of what’s happening today.
Sadly, if P+ loses enough to start cancelling production of new content, they’d still be sitting on all the copyrighted IP and something tells me they’d try to squeeze every farthing possible out it via licensing before letting another production company touch it.
At this point, I’m buying DVD box sets, ripping them to my raided NAS, reselling them and saying “Yuck fu!” to the controlling millionaires at Paramount.
It’s impossible to find full episodes on USENET any more and torrent sites likewise.
Ahem
Bull-mother-fucking-shit lol
Sonarr is working great here :)
@oDDmON there’s no way this isn’t trolling… You’re not going to have trouble finding star trek on bit torrent.
Uhhhhh. I don’t know what you are talking about with Usenet. There is no shortage of trek there lol.
Even with just regular file sharing sites you can find anything very easily
neither on bittorrent
I’ve managed to find all of SNW, Prodigy and Discovery as Torrents as far as I’m in the UK and refuse to pay for P+ when half the content is still on Netflix and Amazon.
Didn’t they remove Prodigy though?
Star Trek is going to be perfectly fine for now.
Also to be honest, the Star Trek IP being taken away from Paramount’s dumb decisions could be the best thing to happen to it.
If Paramount collapses Star Trek will get bought by somebody. At this point that would almost certainly improve anything new produced. That said, I think we are at a turning point in TV type media. With the writers strike showing no signs of let up, and Disney, Paramount, Netflix, and I’m sure more streaming services all showing signs of significant difficulties, something big is going to happen.
My hope is that the industry gets together and decides to cut the BS 8 streaming services for random content and change things to be more user friendly. All content on one non-profit service whose income is divided equitably (after running costs deducted) to all content contributing creators based on demand for their supplied material. Something akin to YouTube, but paid with a subscription fee. No selling rights or whatever in that if you want to make money on your show? Publish it to 1stream and get what it earns back at a standard rate / min watched or whatever.
I would probably pay $80/month for 1 service that had everything guaranteed with no problems. Not this subscribe to 1 for 3 months and then another for a month and so on BS.
I would probably pay $80/month for 1 service that had everything guaranteed with no problems.
You’re describing cable, and for years we begged for a la carte options to free us from cable packages. I can’t fathom going back to paying $80/month for a bunch of crap I’ll never watch when I can jump around for a third of that. I’ll never argue that what we have is the best solution, but it’s a damn sight better than where we came from, at least from a consumer perspective. It perhaps peaked when Netflix was the only game in town with both physical and streaming to get me everything I could ever want for $20/month, but 8 streaming services is still better than shelling out for a cable package.
