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    Young democrats are more pro-dont-commit-war-crimes whatever the history, older dems are disensitized by war-crimes and obsessed with anti-terrorism.

    Republicans love the war machine and think that genocide/wiping out the opposing side is the only way to resolve anything.

    Biden is trying to put on his best dem face while attempting to also maintain control over nuclear proliferation in the middle east. There’s only 1 party when it comes to global control, and this exposed it clearly. Democratic or Republican presidents, they all answer to the Generals in the end.

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        For example by not creating a humanitarian catastrophe for the civilian population of Gaza. By not actively restricting humanitarian aid, food, electricity, water. By setting up field hospitals and making sure that everyone who needs a medical treatment can receive one. By actively trying to limit the civilian casualties and adhering to international laws of war.

        Or is this too much to ask from a state that pretends to be democratic and lawful?

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            I’ve seen examples Israel letting in humanitarian aid

            Oh wow, how generous of them. Yesterday apparently they allowed 50 trucks carrying humanitarian aid, for 2.4M people. Please do the math and tell me do you seriously think this is enough?!? Those trucks are carrying not only food, but medical supplies and water. That’s extremely insufficient and is borderline cynical

            but of course they have a concern about supplies getting in that would aid another attack.

            Oh yes, humanitarian aid in the form of food, medical supplies and water can make a great bomb, that will obliterate half of Israel. Do you realise how your argument sounds?

            Even fuel, never heard diesel to be used for any bomb or explosive. Or electricity. But please correct me if I am wrong.

            More attention should be focused on why Egypt also has a blockade against Palestine in most respects too.

            You are also missing the simple fact that actually Israel is also controlling the Rafah crossing, they were bombing it on a couple of occasions. Plus by saying this you are openly admitting that Israel is actively trying to land grab Gaza and expel all Gazans to Egypt. And a question for you with increased difficulty, how easy do you think for a developing country would be to assimilate 2.4M immigrants?

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                Aren’t my points valid though? What’s your counter argument? Yes, I was being sarcastic to emphasize my point but this doesn’t make it less valuable as an input.

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                    I did suggest Egypt open their border for humanitarian aid, it’s the most obvious route. Food and water can go through. Medical trucks can go in.

                    You are once again missing the simple fact that it’s not Egypt who is slowing down the humanitarian aid but the Israeli personnel, who are also reviewing what goes inside Gaza. So the state of Israel is directly responsible for the current situation. They can alleviate the suffering of Palestinians but it seems they are unwilling to do so, hence the collective punishment narrative. And for the record they started allowing aid only after substantial international pressure on them. How humane is this?

                    There are many concerned about humanitarian supplies being repurposed into weapons, which can actually happen.

                    Please give me an example of what humanitarian aid can be weaponized? Plus if they wanted they could just ban particular items instead.

                    Egypt can supply them with electricity like Israel was before.

                    You do realise that It is not possible to build the infrastructure to transfer electricity to another country which is also an active war zone overnight, right?

                    And while on this conflict can you ELI5 the numbers here https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties. I am extremely curious to hear your reasoning of such huge discrepancies, 20+X or perhaps this https://apnews.com/article/israel-detention-jails-palestinians-west-bank-793a3b2a1ce8439d08756da8c63e5435 or the finding outlined here: https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/313615_ISRAEL-2021-HUMAN-RIGHTS-REPORT.pdf.

                    And perhaps some food for thought, try to put yourself in the shoes of the regular Palestinian, even before this conflict. How would you feel, seriously, because I am pretty sure you WILL NOT be happy or content. And here you have your answer why all this is happening, you can’t treat human beings as human trash and expect them to tolerate it and accept it. Perhaps if they were treated with due respect and their civilian rights weren’t so restricted there wouldn’t be Hamas or 7.10.2023.

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            and no one can ever come up with an alternative for what Israel should do.

            Do you live under a rock.

            Israel could stop trying to colonize and genocide palenstine.

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              So Hamas kills over a thousand people and Israels response should be…doing nothing?

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                It’s telling that you can’t imagine doing anything other than mass murdering civilians.

                You could try undermining hamas for once, instead of propping them and giving them constant recruitment material.

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            And why do you think those hospitals allow Hamas to operate there?

            Could it be that every Palestinian is scared to get indiscriminately killed by Israel, no matter if they help Hamas or not?