Yes, you saying Erdo has moved Turkey 200 years ago and thus saying that his Turkey is worse than anything in that timespan is a pretty clear case.
It’s pretty usual for Turkey. It’s never been a real democracy before Özal, and all the time till Erdo technically military still could depose the government. What Erdo changed is that apparently now this can’t happen. He made it technically more democratic if anything.
I mean, OK, if we compare this to Russia which only had one kinda democratic president (who was also president of RSFSR, so basically no single fully normal power transfer in modern Russian history), then yeah, they had a few normal presidents and Erdo broke that chain.
But then why is it 200 years, the Ottoman empire had Tanzimat, you know. Eh, until the good sultan died and the maniac took his place, abolished all those laws and started killings.
Riiiiiight, an Armenian that blows a gasket at the slightest suggestion that Erdogan might not be the greatest Kalif of all time! What else you got for me, wolf?
Riiiiiight, an Armenian that blows a gasket at the slightest suggestion that Erdogan might not be the greatest Kalif of all time! What else you got for me, wolf?
Same user, same level of intelligence. I’ll be magnanimous:
I was addressing your weird opinion that Erdogan made something worse about Turkey, making it a “rogue state”.
In the narratives popular in the West (discourse by Baudrillard) it was a normal state since joining NATO, because that makes it part of the “good guys”, “free world” and all that bullshit.
But in reality it had a few big Greek and Armenian pogroms after joining NATO, used historical monuments as target practice, had military coups as normal order of things, censorship, extrajudicial murders by military, special services, pro-government militias, had “village guards”, and all that after Turkey joining NATO.
As I have already said, any kind of democracy is a new thing for Turkey. And before Erdogan technically Turkish military still could just change the government without violating any law. Also Erdogan started with quite a bit of social liberalization and still hasn’t undone that. He surely plays sultan, but it appears to be the zeitgeist. And he’s going to die and things are going to change.
So it being a “rogue state” is conditioned not by it becoming worse (it’s been plainly fascist for all of its history in NATO), but by it becoming somehow less useful for the West. Which makes the “rogue state” concept meaningless, it’s one thing to become one because of breaking rules, it’s another to become one just because of bad alliances.
Just like Georgia right now is getting all kinds of threats because of their construction of the port in Anaklia. Since it’s a project involving China. While it’s still a flawed democracy. And Azerbaijan is not getting any threats while being a genocidal sultanate. And Azerbaijan is closer to Russia than Georgia is, so that’s not a justification.
You’re basically trying to argue with assumptions of what opinion I might have about Turkey, but not with what I actually said.
To be honest, to me anything east of Czech is subhuman territory anyway, Turkey Armenia, Russia, all those stupid ass countries full of imbeciles cause nothing but trouble while contributing zero to mankind, throughout all of history. So I have no horse in this race, you guys just go ahead hate each other and enter stupid contests about who is better. I don’t give a fufu.
Ever since Europeans became soft and made the mistake to not kill all you guys and take everything you have, has the world stopped progressing.
So keep on being a little bitch about that genocide those other filthy animals did to you, and keep serving your whores to the US like that unfunny cunt Sona.
Basically compared to Armenians every European nation is
subhuman territory anyway
by every moral criterion.
Also if you’re German, you’re that one of them which not only has 10/10 in being morally subhuman, but also has 0/10 in getting something useful out of that.
By the way, I also have Jewish ancestry and I absolutely hate it when a German opens their mouth about antisemitism, especially in defense of Israel. Just looked at your post history. That’s really not your subject guys.
while contributing zero to mankind, throughout all of history
Again a very funny statement from a German.
Germany is basically the Argentina of Europe. Anything good in it is a remnant of something in the past before it went off the rails.
EDIT: Oh, I’ve seen that sentence.
So keep on being a little bitch about that genocide those other filthy animals did to you, and keep serving your whores to the US like that unfunny cunt Sona.
It’s not like your relatives don’t do the latter, so I’ll address the former.
Blood is redeemed with blood, and some of that blood is yours. Remember that.
Yes, you saying Erdo has moved Turkey 200 years ago and thus saying that his Turkey is worse than anything in that timespan is a pretty clear case.
It’s pretty usual for Turkey. It’s never been a real democracy before Özal, and all the time till Erdo technically military still could depose the government. What Erdo changed is that apparently now this can’t happen. He made it technically more democratic if anything.
I mean, OK, if we compare this to Russia which only had one kinda democratic president (who was also president of RSFSR, so basically no single fully normal power transfer in modern Russian history), then yeah, they had a few normal presidents and Erdo broke that chain.
But then why is it 200 years, the Ottoman empire had Tanzimat, you know. Eh, until the good sultan died and the maniac took his place, abolished all those laws and started killings.
Point out where I said “it’s worse than anything in that timespan?”
I didn’t. Your inherent tendency to become too emotional in a discussion seems to be clouding your judgement. Unsurprising.
Next you’ll probably show me the 🤘
I’m arguing in the opposite fucking direction and I’m Armenian.
Riiiiiight, an Armenian that blows a gasket at the slightest suggestion that Erdogan might not be the greatest Kalif of all time! What else you got for me, wolf?
Same user, same level of intelligence. I’ll be magnanimous:
I was addressing your weird opinion that Erdogan made something worse about Turkey, making it a “rogue state”.
In the narratives popular in the West (discourse by Baudrillard) it was a normal state since joining NATO, because that makes it part of the “good guys”, “free world” and all that bullshit.
But in reality it had a few big Greek and Armenian pogroms after joining NATO, used historical monuments as target practice, had military coups as normal order of things, censorship, extrajudicial murders by military, special services, pro-government militias, had “village guards”, and all that after Turkey joining NATO.
As I have already said, any kind of democracy is a new thing for Turkey. And before Erdogan technically Turkish military still could just change the government without violating any law. Also Erdogan started with quite a bit of social liberalization and still hasn’t undone that. He surely plays sultan, but it appears to be the zeitgeist. And he’s going to die and things are going to change.
So it being a “rogue state” is conditioned not by it becoming worse (it’s been plainly fascist for all of its history in NATO), but by it becoming somehow less useful for the West. Which makes the “rogue state” concept meaningless, it’s one thing to become one because of breaking rules, it’s another to become one just because of bad alliances.
Just like Georgia right now is getting all kinds of threats because of their construction of the port in Anaklia. Since it’s a project involving China. While it’s still a flawed democracy. And Azerbaijan is not getting any threats while being a genocidal sultanate. And Azerbaijan is closer to Russia than Georgia is, so that’s not a justification.
You’re basically trying to argue with assumptions of what opinion I might have about Turkey, but not with what I actually said. To be honest, to me anything east of Czech is subhuman territory anyway, Turkey Armenia, Russia, all those stupid ass countries full of imbeciles cause nothing but trouble while contributing zero to mankind, throughout all of history. So I have no horse in this race, you guys just go ahead hate each other and enter stupid contests about who is better. I don’t give a fufu. Ever since Europeans became soft and made the mistake to not kill all you guys and take everything you have, has the world stopped progressing. So keep on being a little bitch about that genocide those other filthy animals did to you, and keep serving your whores to the US like that unfunny cunt Sona.
Basically compared to Armenians every European nation is
by every moral criterion.
Also if you’re German, you’re that one of them which not only has 10/10 in being morally subhuman, but also has 0/10 in getting something useful out of that.
By the way, I also have Jewish ancestry and I absolutely hate it when a German opens their mouth about antisemitism, especially in defense of Israel. Just looked at your post history. That’s really not your subject guys.
Again a very funny statement from a German.
Germany is basically the Argentina of Europe. Anything good in it is a remnant of something in the past before it went off the rails.
EDIT: Oh, I’ve seen that sentence.
It’s not like your relatives don’t do the latter, so I’ll address the former.
Blood is redeemed with blood, and some of that blood is yours. Remember that.