Green Party nominee Jill Stein is expected to use her running mate to tap into the growing anger at Democrats over their support for Israel’s war on Gaza.
Just because I don’t agree with you, and I argue my point, doesn’t mean I’m a troll. Again, check my profile, the lemmy communities I have created and that I mod.
If I were right-wing, I would have no problem saying it. I’m Independent. I know that annoys you, because you seem to really really want a narrative so that you can argue, but it’s not that deep.
I’m voting Green Party this election. I have listed why I am doing that. I have even started and I maintain/mod a Green Party community here on Lemmy.
If that’s not enough to make you think I like the Green Party, then I really don’t know what to tell you. lmao
It’s more of a tone thing. Like I said, trolling is highly individualistic, there’s no single manual for it. It’s always some mix of a person’s real personality with some fake aspects sort of tacked on in an ad hoc fashion. Usually one or two specific positions will be taken, just to get a rise out of people. Then there’s a handful of pretty standard rhetorical tricks the person can pull just to keep the conversations going. A troll can certainly make communities, there is no reason not to do that. All it has to be is entertaining, or at least easy I guess.
Like I said, you can vote for whoever you want. All I wanted to do was answer your request for evidence of Stein working with Russia, the rest is entirely your decision. I’ve supported the Greens myself in the past, it would be very hypocritical of me to tell you not to. You deserve to be well-informed though.
And again, you’re incorrect. I have stated that I am not a troll. I have given you several examples of why I am not a troll. If you refuse to believe, then that is on you.
Like I said, trolling is highly individualistic, there’s no single manual for it.
You seem to know a lot about trolling. I would suggest you get a different hobby to fill that void in your life. But it is your right to sit around and think that everyone who disagrees with you is a troll. Not my idea of a fun day, but hey, you do you.
A troll can certainly make communities
I’m sure they can. But since I’m not a troll, doesn’t really have anything to do with me.
Like I said, you can vote for whoever you want.
I agree. And I AM voting for who I want. Jill Stein of the Green Party.
All I wanted to do was answer your request for evidence of Stein working with Russia
And you did not provide that evidence. Russians tried to divert left leaning voters away from Clinton by boosting Stein’s candidacy. There is zero evidence there that Stein was contacted by Russia or even aware of the way in which her campaign was being hijacked.
I’ve supported the Greens myself in the past, it would be very hypocritical of me to tell you not to.
Then why on Earth are you giving me such a hard time for voting Green?! Are you just being contrarian or do you not understand that I am voting for who I want to vote for?
It’s not some grand conspiracy. lol I like Jill Stein, I donated to the Green Party, and I am supporting them this election. They align with my values. That’s it.
I do know a lot about trolling, we all have our pasts. There’s a lot of us older farts on this platform. Having been around online for this long, I learned long ago not to simply believe what things seem to be, which is just generally good advice really. Books and covers and all that.
I most definitely did, providing photographic evidence of Stein being in contact with not just any Russian, but the leader himself.
I’m not giving you a hard time at all. I’m just making sure that you are indeed fully aware that Jill Stein has been in contact with high ranking members of the Russian Federation, despite the Russian Federation being an aggressive, warfighting nation that fuels its death with hydrocarbon exports. Knowing that, you are free to support her if you wish.
I do know a lot about trolling, we all have our pasts. There’s a lot of us older farts on this platform
And your past may be adding a bias to your current interactions with me. I’m 55 years old. I am familiar with being older.
I most definitely did, providing photographic evidence of Stein being in contact with not just any Russian, but the leader himself.
And Jill Stein addressed that. In a newsweek article about it. A campaign spokesperson told Newsweek that Stein “attended at her own expense to spread a message of peace and diplomacy” and gave a speech in Moscow “in which she criticized the excessive militarism of both Vladimir Putin and U.S. leaders.”
They added: “The Senate Intelligence Committee later investigated the trip and found no wrongdoing whatsoever. Dr. Stein’s commitment to diplomacy is more needed than ever and stands in stark contrast to the two warmongering ruling parties, which are driving us toward WWIII [World War III] and draining resources urgently needed here at home.”
Eh, I don’t think you’re 55. Things are very easy to say on the internet, you see.
Like I said, I understand that her campaign released a statement, you are of course welcome to believe them 100% if you wish. I would fully expect any die-hard fan to do so unquestioningly, after all.
And yes, I’m sure she’s no Russian spy. The issue is, again, alliance. This is not illegal, merely unethical. People can like and work with Putin’s regime if they wish, or at least could before all the sanctions landed. It simply represents them very poorly when the person they choose to work with is responsible for so much climate change and bloodshed.
Also, you neglected the next paragraph:
The event featuring Stein and Putin was a December 2015 gala in Moscow in celebration of the Russian state television channel RT’s tenth anniversary. The channel has been banned in several countries for spreading Russian propaganda since the invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.
How I wish that were true. But unfortunately, that’s true. And to make things even weirder, I quit my old career and started a new career as a teaching assistant and an elementary school. For much much lower pay.
So not only am I old, now I’m poor! :)
But since you are not going to believe anything I say, I’m not sure why you are even engaging with me. You seem to have some made-up version of me in your mind, and regardless of any proof I have given, you refuse to accept/believe me. So what is your point exactly?
Also why the hell would I lie about being 55?! LMAO Of all ages, THAT’S the one I would make up? Really?! lol
I knew I was older than you. lol
And I gotta know, how old you think I am then.
The event featuring Stein and Putin was a December 2015 gala in Moscow in celebration of the Russian state television channel RT’s tenth anniversary. The channel has been banned in several countries for spreading Russian propaganda since the invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.
And that does nothing to prove that Stein is being paid by Russia or that her campaign is a Russian campaign.
You honestly should be in the conspiracy community, not this one. The conspiracy stuff seems more to your tastes.
I can’t recall any proof you’ve given, you’ve just said you’re 55 and made a few communities. All that really proves is you have a keyboard with a 5 on it, can follow basic instructions and have a lot of free time.
I think you’re in your late teens/early 20s. That’s just a random guess though, I don’t really have much to go on. 55 is just as good as any other number, though, if a person wants to pick some random, old-sounding age.
Well, if she was being paid by Russia, I think the Senate Intelligence Committee would have uncovered that. Like I said, I highly doubt she’s an actual Russian spy. What I do think is the case is she was willing to meet Putin at his propaganda network gala, has repeated several pro-Russian statements over the years, and has received assistance from Russia, as you’ve said yourself several times, funneling votes towards her. Alliance. No money necessary. Meanwhile, she does not criticize Russian hydrocarbon exports, despite them being a major source of greenhouse gasses. She should be willing to do this, as a green.
Lastly, she says this about Ukraine:
"Ukraine was historically a part of Russia for quite some period of time, and we all know there was this conversation with Victoria Nuland about planning the coup and who was going to take over. Not that the other guy was some model of democracy. But the one they put in — with the support of the US and the CIA in this coup in Ukraine — that has not been a solution. Regime change is something we need to be very careful about. And this is a highly inflammatory regime change with a nuclear armed power next door. So I’m saying: Let’s just stop pretending there are good guys here and bad guys here. These are complicated situations. Yeah, Russia is doing lots of human rights abuse, but you know what? So are we.”[6]
This is 100% a Russian propaganda line, straight out of Kremlin pro-war messaging.
I dunno, you certainly fit the bill well enough. We’ll see I suppose.
And how do I fit the bill of a troll?
Just because I don’t agree with you, and I argue my point, doesn’t mean I’m a troll. Again, check my profile, the lemmy communities I have created and that I mod.
If I were right-wing, I would have no problem saying it. I’m Independent. I know that annoys you, because you seem to really really want a narrative so that you can argue, but it’s not that deep.
I’m voting Green Party this election. I have listed why I am doing that. I have even started and I maintain/mod a Green Party community here on Lemmy.
If that’s not enough to make you think I like the Green Party, then I really don’t know what to tell you. lmao
It’s more of a tone thing. Like I said, trolling is highly individualistic, there’s no single manual for it. It’s always some mix of a person’s real personality with some fake aspects sort of tacked on in an ad hoc fashion. Usually one or two specific positions will be taken, just to get a rise out of people. Then there’s a handful of pretty standard rhetorical tricks the person can pull just to keep the conversations going. A troll can certainly make communities, there is no reason not to do that. All it has to be is entertaining, or at least easy I guess.
Like I said, you can vote for whoever you want. All I wanted to do was answer your request for evidence of Stein working with Russia, the rest is entirely your decision. I’ve supported the Greens myself in the past, it would be very hypocritical of me to tell you not to. You deserve to be well-informed though.
And again, you’re incorrect. I have stated that I am not a troll. I have given you several examples of why I am not a troll. If you refuse to believe, then that is on you.
You seem to know a lot about trolling. I would suggest you get a different hobby to fill that void in your life. But it is your right to sit around and think that everyone who disagrees with you is a troll. Not my idea of a fun day, but hey, you do you.
I’m sure they can. But since I’m not a troll, doesn’t really have anything to do with me.
I agree. And I AM voting for who I want. Jill Stein of the Green Party.
And you did not provide that evidence. Russians tried to divert left leaning voters away from Clinton by boosting Stein’s candidacy. There is zero evidence there that Stein was contacted by Russia or even aware of the way in which her campaign was being hijacked.
Then why on Earth are you giving me such a hard time for voting Green?! Are you just being contrarian or do you not understand that I am voting for who I want to vote for?
It’s not some grand conspiracy. lol I like Jill Stein, I donated to the Green Party, and I am supporting them this election. They align with my values. That’s it.
I do know a lot about trolling, we all have our pasts. There’s a lot of us older farts on this platform. Having been around online for this long, I learned long ago not to simply believe what things seem to be, which is just generally good advice really. Books and covers and all that.
I most definitely did, providing photographic evidence of Stein being in contact with not just any Russian, but the leader himself.
I’m not giving you a hard time at all. I’m just making sure that you are indeed fully aware that Jill Stein has been in contact with high ranking members of the Russian Federation, despite the Russian Federation being an aggressive, warfighting nation that fuels its death with hydrocarbon exports. Knowing that, you are free to support her if you wish.
And your past may be adding a bias to your current interactions with me. I’m 55 years old. I am familiar with being older.
And Jill Stein addressed that. In a newsweek article about it. A campaign spokesperson told Newsweek that Stein “attended at her own expense to spread a message of peace and diplomacy” and gave a speech in Moscow “in which she criticized the excessive militarism of both Vladimir Putin and U.S. leaders.”
They added: “The Senate Intelligence Committee later investigated the trip and found no wrongdoing whatsoever. Dr. Stein’s commitment to diplomacy is more needed than ever and stands in stark contrast to the two warmongering ruling parties, which are driving us toward WWIII [World War III] and draining resources urgently needed here at home.”
https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-ties-vladimir-putin-explained-1842620
Yes, I am. And I do.
Eh, I don’t think you’re 55. Things are very easy to say on the internet, you see.
Like I said, I understand that her campaign released a statement, you are of course welcome to believe them 100% if you wish. I would fully expect any die-hard fan to do so unquestioningly, after all.
And yes, I’m sure she’s no Russian spy. The issue is, again, alliance. This is not illegal, merely unethical. People can like and work with Putin’s regime if they wish, or at least could before all the sanctions landed. It simply represents them very poorly when the person they choose to work with is responsible for so much climate change and bloodshed.
Also, you neglected the next paragraph:
How I wish that were true. But unfortunately, that’s true. And to make things even weirder, I quit my old career and started a new career as a teaching assistant and an elementary school. For much much lower pay.
So not only am I old, now I’m poor! :)
But since you are not going to believe anything I say, I’m not sure why you are even engaging with me. You seem to have some made-up version of me in your mind, and regardless of any proof I have given, you refuse to accept/believe me. So what is your point exactly?
Also why the hell would I lie about being 55?! LMAO Of all ages, THAT’S the one I would make up? Really?! lol
I knew I was older than you. lol
And I gotta know, how old you think I am then.
And that does nothing to prove that Stein is being paid by Russia or that her campaign is a Russian campaign.
You honestly should be in the conspiracy community, not this one. The conspiracy stuff seems more to your tastes.
I can’t recall any proof you’ve given, you’ve just said you’re 55 and made a few communities. All that really proves is you have a keyboard with a 5 on it, can follow basic instructions and have a lot of free time.
I think you’re in your late teens/early 20s. That’s just a random guess though, I don’t really have much to go on. 55 is just as good as any other number, though, if a person wants to pick some random, old-sounding age.
Well, if she was being paid by Russia, I think the Senate Intelligence Committee would have uncovered that. Like I said, I highly doubt she’s an actual Russian spy. What I do think is the case is she was willing to meet Putin at his propaganda network gala, has repeated several pro-Russian statements over the years, and has received assistance from Russia, as you’ve said yourself several times, funneling votes towards her. Alliance. No money necessary. Meanwhile, she does not criticize Russian hydrocarbon exports, despite them being a major source of greenhouse gasses. She should be willing to do this, as a green.
Lastly, she says this about Ukraine:
This is 100% a Russian propaganda line, straight out of Kremlin pro-war messaging.