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- exmormon@lemmy.world
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- exmormon@lemmy.world
The new policies include a measure to annotate trans members’ records, grouping them with members who have committed sexual violence or child abuse.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, known widely as the Mormon church, issued a slew of new policies this week expanding its restrictions on transgender members.
The policies, released Monday, include rules barring trans people from working with children, becoming priests and serving as teachers. The church also expanded on an existing rule that barred trans people from being baptized.
Trans members will also face possible annotation on their membership records, grouping them with churchgoers who have committed incest, sexual predatory behavior, sexual violence against children and embezzlement of church funds.
I don’t know if Mormons do posthumous baptism, but put me in a fucking dress before loading me in the furnace or chipper shredder or whatever if it will prevent any of that bullshit.
They certainly do and unfortunately they don’t need the body. No one is safe.
So many people did baptisms for both Anne Frank and Adolf Hitler.
There’s an easier way to not deal with it.
Remember, they need you to believe in a god that is all powerful, all knowing and doesn’t give enough of a shit to not make fuckups like this.
(That. Or maybe it’s all bullshit and their asshole god is made in their image.)
I’m not a believer at all in such superstitions. Technically, I don’t care what happens after I die. But I don’t want any religion to falsely claim me.
As an ex-mormon, I feel I should point out that they don’t believe they’re claiming the dead whom they’re baptizing. They’re providing an opportunity for the dead person to choose and accept the baptism.
That said, f#*# organized religion. The Mormon church especially.
I’ve harped on it at length elsewhere, but even within the illogical realm of theology, baptism for the dead is just childishly literal and stupid, and I can’t for the life of me figure out why they cling to it.
There’s a huge pull for Mormons to see their family again, it’s one of the ways they manipulate you the hardest. If you’re a good mormon, but this other person wasn’t, then you’ll basically never see them again. (Or meet them, in the case of ancestors). Plus it’s a bragging point, I knew people who kept a count of everyone they did this for.
Sorry, but you have a diminished ability to counter the lies people tell about you when you’re dead.
The best we could do is try to create a society, before we die, which refrains from lying. I’m not sure that’s easy, considering that many humans rely on ideology to create a sense of purpose, and all ideology strains away from the truth at some point.
Fortunately I have this genius plan to be an absolute nobody in the history of the world. It’s my greatest defense against posthumous fuckery. But if putting me in a dress will help, I don’t care.
They don’t only do posthumous baptism, they do posthumous baptism of non-Mormons to make them into Mormons.
They did a posthumous baptism for Anne Frank. Assholes. I realize that doesn’t change anything about anything, but they’re still assholes for doing it.
Anyone can submit names and people often submit names to embarrass the church because they know it will cause problems. Secondly the ‘anne frank’ that had work done was not the historically famous figure but a different person entirely,
Temple work is ancestor focused worship, it’s not about changing anyone’s historical factual life, that’s not at all a belief in the church, no one thinks that temple work changes ANYTHING about history, that’s INSANE and no one thinks that’s what’s happening with the names you work.
All the names you so work for are supposed to be YOUR ancestors, people do go through and offer to do names people have left available for anyone, but those names are still supposed to be that other persons ancestors, not unrelated people, no one is supposed to be submitting names of any historical figure they arend provably a decendent of, and even then, they should only do so if they have a right to do that work.
A lot of people hate Mormons and like to make up the worst things they can think of to insult or vilify them. I was Mormon for a long time, I left the church because of ACTUAL THINGS the church does that are wrong and bad and against the churches own doctorine, the choices they make about training and policy, the severe anti lgbtq hatetred they support and spread. NOT because of made up bullshit no one in the church has ever done or believed.
There’s more than enough factual information to criticize, making up bullshit isn’t necessary and it’s dishonest and stupid.
BftD is a very weird doctrine that is childishly literal on the one hand, but inefficient to the point of cruelty on the other. There is no real point to it except busy work for grandmas and finding something to use for indoctrinating teens at the temples, and maybe it was an effective lever of control over superstitious members when it was first rolled out. I can guarantee you that any well known person was submitted at least once by “well meaning” members, regardless of the rules when they were doing so.
It’s so facially… stupid… that it’s extremely disrespectful to cling to it and claim it’s any kind of benefit. When I was a kid, they would say that if you died unbaptized you were in some sort of spirit prison, and it was only after some dumb kid who lied about cranking it to the Sears catalog got dunked in an overgrown bathtub that you’d get your hall pass to let you “decide” whether to accept the gospel (which is another bone to pick… what kind of choice is that after you’re dead and it turns out the Mormons were right?!).
It’s horrendous on its face, but it only gets every so slightly better upon deeper investigation. It’s still an arrogant and incoherent but of theology, and the sooner they have a “revelation” that it’s unnecessary, the better.
Are you suggesting whoever did the actual proxy baptism of Anne Frank didn’t know who it was they were baptizing or are you suggesting it never happened?
Because it happened. And not just with her.
https://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-10-people-posthumously-baptized-by-mormons-2012-3?amp
Like I said, it doesn’t actually have any effect on anything. It’s just some sick shit.
I read a few years back that the temple was giving out names for people to baptize and if a family ever came back to baptize them they would just redo it. When I found that out it felt wrong for some reason.
Knowing all the work I had done to find the names just to find out they had the name the whole time and they potentially gave it to someone else really rubbed me the wrong way.