“The room was silent. It was like you could hear a needle drop as they spoke,” Naftali told The Post following Rachel Goldberg-Polin and Jon Polin’s speech at the DNC. “It was stunning.”

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    Would you tell the leader of your country to surrender to the terms of a Jihadist terror organizations and relasese hunderds of murderers?

    What whould you prefer: USA, UK, USSR defeat Nazi Germany or surrender to their terms?

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        I did read the elements that were publicly published, yes.

        • Release of hundreds of murderers out of prison without getting all the live hostages.
        • The war ends (without Hamas losing power).

        etc.

        It doesn’t matter who organized the discussions, Hamas has no right to exist and it must be defeated.

        The war in Gaza could end tomorrow if Hamas surrenders, disarms and returns all the hostages.

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          Sooo, what you’re saying is, Palestine should fully resign and do whatever Israel wants, get nothing, and be okay with that, but Israel should get everything it wants, and keep encroaching on West Bank territory with zero resistance, AND the Palestinians should be okay with that?

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            • Hamas must surrender.
            • The Palestinian terrorists should be disarmed.
            • All Israeli (Jews and Arabs) hostages in Gaza should be released immediately and unconditionally.

            That’s what I’m saying. I don’t agree with your interpretation of my position, I never said that.

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              But that’s not going to happen unless Israel gives something up and stops doing what they’re doing. You understand how this works, right?

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                I refuse to accept your appeasement attitude. Israel sends its troops (Jews, Arabs, Druze) to the battlefield to fight a just war. Human life is put at risk to achieve the goals of the war.
                Just as the allies fought Nazi Germany and lost millions of troops and civilians.

                If there’s a hostage deal, it should serve the interests of Israel, not the interests of the terrorists of Hamas, PIJ, Fatah, PFLP etc.
                A deal which servers the interests of Hamas-ISIS means surrender. A permanent ceasefire where Hamas stays in power means surrender. Not getting all the live Israeli hostages means surrender. Israel withdrawing from strategic areas means surrender.

                The war in Gaza could end tomorrow if Hamas surrenders, disarms and returns all the hostages.

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                  Nah, man. That’s not how any of this works, as any war illustrates. This cycles keeps continuing with Israel and Palestine for a reason though, so let me illustrate the timeline:

                  • Israel gets dropped into existing post-WWII
                  • Allies all support Israel to get them up to speed and develop the land
                  • Things are heavily medicated up until the 80’s after Iran is overtaken, and starts being an aggressor in the region
                  • Allies post up with Israel
                  • Israel becomes “untouchable” and starts doing fucked up shit like killing Palestinians and stealing their land
                  • Palestine aligns with shady groups because they have no allies
                  • Shady groups start a proxy war via other well-founded Islamic nations
                  • US gets involved again
                  • Israel steals more land and kills more people
                  • Palestine fights back

                  And then there is just a loop of the last few steps for decades. Israel thinks it deserves all the land and Palestinians should be eradicated. Palestinians have no allies or solid armed forces, so are relegated to fighting back via these same shady funders. Rinse and repeat.

                  There’s no winning here for either side of Israel has a clear and fucked up goal, and Palestinians just want their land back and to exist. You can’t expect them to just roll over. Hell, some have even made the case with Israel’s Libya and Syria altercations. It’s schoolyard bullying mixed in with some crazy ass religious extremism on Israel’s behalf for sure, but even if Israel backs down and leaves Palestine alone, they’re now at the behest of other players who have infiltrated their governing body, so it won’t stop.

                  Your take on it is just ill informed though. If you don’t understand the nature of the thing, you’re just blindly following one side’s politicking of the situation. In your case, that Israel is undisputably correct in what they are doing.