There are only 2 million unemployed Americans right now. Most of the illegal immigrants have jobs and fill in the gaps, such as working on farms and factories. If the 20 million illegal immigrants are deported, won’t that create a massive laborer shortage? Won’t the work follow the workers to Mexico?
Prison labor. And I guarantee minor offenses will suddenly be years in jail working farms.
Project 2025 plans to throw millions in jail.
Minor offences that lead to jail time, which gets extended indefinitely due to minor infractions or serious infractions cause by prison culture.
It kills me that this kind of mindset exists that would welcome the circumstances you describe. At the end of the day, it’s so much simpler and cheaper to just pay people what they’re worth.
Slavery is legal for prisoners so that’s unfortunately quite viable.
I think is exceedingly hilarious that you think the tomatoes corn peaches and the rest are going to pick themselves and follow the Mexicans,. Peruvians, Argentinians, Ecuadorians, Guatemalans and many more South.
It’s just going to rot in the fields just like last time this happened when Trump took office.
I meant factories. They can be shut down.
I was agreeing with you and stating that food production sectors would be in a immediate crisis. Since this is America, we wouldn’t have starvations so much as the prices of food would rapidly increase again. Labor jobs eventually would migrate to other economies. I agree.
You’re drastically overestimating how much of America’s food is grown in America…
Almost half the food grown in America just flat out is never eaten:
Frankly if half never makes it out of the field, it’s not that different.
But that still wouldn’t happen, the vast majority of migrant laborers are here working legally. We’d lose some, but nowhere near what you and OP are acting like. Normally it would result in higher wages for legal migrant workers. Which would increase the amount coming up for it.
With trump tho (even Biden) they want to shut down all border crossing at the drop of a hat. That would have a noticable effect.
“It would also give me, as president, the emergency authority to shut down the border until it can get back under control,” Biden said at South Carolina’s “First in the Nation” dinner. “If that bill were the law today, I’d shut down the border right now and fix it quickly.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/can-biden-really-shut-border-rcna136139
it’s one of the almost uncountable reasons Biden was likely going to lose to trump, they agree on too much and are too similar.
Tell me you’ve never worked on a farm in less words next time.
https://agamerica.com/blog/the-impact-of-the-farm-labor-shortage/
Literally grew up on one that had been in my family for generations…
Lol. Your link is a group arguing for subsidies for corpo farms
I worked in the fields picking tomatoes as a teenager and I went to school with the migrant agra workers children that I would pick the tomatoes with in the summer. There are a few farmers in my family. . What kind of farm? How has finances been the last 10 years? Do you have money to pay two to three times per bushel?
Wot?
Farmer s have worse margins than most restaurants. Most farmers live season to season. Get large loans to be able to repair their machinery and purchase seed and then after the harvest that money that they make is immediately paid back into that system. If there is a mass deportation of cheap farm labor than most, farmers will not be able to economically afford to pay higher costs for that labor.
I’ll say this again, there’s no such thing as a labour shortage.
There’s an infinite demand for labour by companies, the only thing preventing them from hiring is what people are willing to work for.
Just imagine it this way, if a company offered a million jobs at $1 per hour, but couldn’t fill them. Is that a labour shortage or just a stupid company?
Companies who can’t sell their product/service while paying the wages required to fill the positions are supposed to fail and close. Freeing up any workers they have attracted to work for companies who can fill that.
Companies failing this way isn’t bad. It’s literally how the economic system we are using works.
I wouldn’t say there’s no such thing as a labor shortage, we just don’t really have one now and haven’t for a while. It’s like saying there’s no such thing as a food shortage because in periods of high demand you can always just pay exponentially more money and get it.
If the rate at which labor costs are rising far outstrips the rate at which demand is growing across an industry, not just a business, that’s a sign that the supply of workers is lagging behind the demand growth. Usually seen when there’s a time lag between when demand can start to rise and people from other sectors can move over, like in medical fields or fields with high technical requirements.
It’s still not the workers responsibility to take lower wages to keep a business afloat, but that doesn’t mean there haven’t been times when it’s been legitimately infeasible to fill a position.
Businesses and in some cases governments just need to be forward thinking and give incentive to start training for the career before demand starts to outstrip supply.
Smart places with nurse shortages will do stuff like pay for your training in exchange for a set number of years working for them at a market wage.That is nice economic theory.
The reality is only small entities will close and will be absorbed by the bigger companies that can afford to shift production to other countries and prices will go up because they can. The only reason why they produce locally is because of subsidies and illegal labor.
There is no economic incentive to pay a desirable wage domestically when you can exploit the workers of another country and make more money.
If it requires illegal labor now, it will be offshore if illegals(and “accidentally” the wrong color people) are deported.
Well. It kind of is bad, when those businesses are, for instance, farms. Or factories producing food. Imagine, if you will, a scenario where people working in the fields picking whatever suddenly had to be paid at least minimum wage (and probably a lot more, because that works sucks), rather than a piece rate. Productivity would probably drop–no incentive to work yourself to death anymore–but costs would rise. Those costs would have to be passed on to consumers, and that would ripple across the entire economy in a big way.
That’s not bad. Costs are supposed to rise to match the supply with the demand. That’s literally how this all works.
These jobs should be automated out of existence. Every time the cost goes up that becomes more and more viable.
Republicans plan on removing the middle class entirely, so the answer is you.
I wish Democrats at the convention would’ve made the fact loud and clear that without undocumented immigrants, grocery prices would soar. In fact in every respect, these immigrants have a net-positive contribution to our economy while committing less crime than white American citizens.
While true, they also don’t vote. I think in the past democrats have courted immigration as a proxy for the Hispanic vote, but it’s never materialized. It might be the better play politically to ignore the issue.
That’s a fair point. Considering I recently explained to someone else recently that at this 11th hour before the election we can’t expect to shift public opinion on the issues, merely carve the largest coalition out of where the electorate stands at present, then I guess I’ll eat my words. Hopefully this narrative gains traction over the next “activist” cycle where we attempt to actually influence public opinion following the election.
Republican inroads with the Hispanic population is sad. It seemed to initially begin out of Cuban expats, but now their rhetoric has picked up with the southwest population. So sad to see, for there is so much misinformation that they’re ultimately kicking the ladder out from behind their own (or parents, grandparents’) journeys.
They’ll just enslave the non-white, -straight, -Christians (who aren’t uberwealthy). It’s what Jesus would want.
I think it’s amusing that you believe Trump supporters are capable of reason. They are a brainwashed cult, and they take their orders from Fox News.
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