• balderdash@lemmy.zip
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      And then people wonder where the modern-day civil rights leaders are. The U.S. government will murder anyone who gains the ability to upset the status quo. The best we’re going to get is social media personalities like Dr. Umar and comedians like Charlamagne Tha God.

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    White capitalism is what made black people slaves and pushed them into poverty.

    Perhaps we need new ideas that help everyone.

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        I mean, it gives deference to rich people, but when it was legal to discriminate against POC, they had a massive disadvantage in pretty much every aspect of their lives. Not perfect, but much improved now…

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          Also Black Wall Street got hate crimed off the face of the earth, so I’d say “white capitalism” is fair enough.

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      “Black capitalism” is historically the approach of some African American* communities and individuals to resist racial oppression by embracing capitalism and out-competing whites in it, essentially. This met its most famous manifestation in Tulsa, Oklahoma, which developed a wealthy black capitalist class, but neighboring white towns got mad at this and basically leveled a good portion of the town and killed many people. For reasons beyond me, some liberals hold up Tulsa as some wonderful thing and proof that black people should just be more engaged in capitalism, and they ignore how the experiment ended.

      The most famous “black capitalism” proponent is the Jamaican-born American Marcus Garvey, who some Rastafarians worship as a prophet. To poison the well immediately, he was supported by the KKK in his projects to send African Americans “back to” Africa, because their ideologies and aims of ethnonationalism broadly aligned.

      *It’s mostly an American thing, but it’s not exclusively an American thing by any means

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        For reasons beyond me, some liberals hold up Tulsa as some wonderful thing and proof that black people should just be more engaged in capitalism, and they ignore how the experiment ended.

        The easy answer is that racism destroyed Tulsa, not capitalism. Were it not for racist fucks, that experiment would have worked wonderfully. But that’s a tale as old as time, unfortunately.

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          If racism just sprang from the ground or from defects in people’s souls, that would make sense. Racism is a superstructural tool of capitalism. It’s a little more obvious how the two are in union when you look at things like the Transatlantic slave trade, but keeping black people as an underclass serves in capital’s interest to this day.

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      In 1800, 80% of the world lived in extreme poverty. Now it’s under 10%.

      Fact is, the vast majority of the so-called “exploit[ed]masses” rose out of poverty over the same period of time that capitalism established itself as the primary economic system the world over.

      So who were they all exploiting, to get out of poverty? Each other?

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        Funnily enough, it was the USSR and PRC that had the largest impact on poverty elimination in the 20th century.

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      If you’re comparing things to what existed before capitalism was coined, sure. Yeah, we’re doing better than literal fudalism, which was still a capital and hierarchy based system. No one is asking for a return to fudalism though! It very easy to say “we’re doing better than them so we need not try to improve.” It’s not helping anyone though, except those who benefit from maintaining the status quo.

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        Karl Marx praised capitalism as an upgrade from feudalism, and for it’s effect on the advancement of technology. It’s obvious that capitalism was a step up from feudalism, but that’s not the point.

        The point is that capitalism eventually evolves to a stage where it is worse for civilization as a whole, than it is beneficial, and we are at that stage now(have been for a long time). We are depleting all of the Earth’s resources at a very unsustainable rate, and wealth inequality is back to the point where it was with feudalism, if not worse.

        You brought up a good point that no one is asking for a return to past systems. We are looking to evolve to a system that will sustain us as a species, long term. Some people can’t understand that Capitalism won’t work forever, and it will eventually destroy us. We have had smart people telling us this for hundreds of years now, too.