• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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          Can’t get ranked choice voting with either establishment party, and I don’t consider the only major leftist candidate to be a spoiler for 2 right parties.

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            Hilarious. Let me think about who I’d vote for if I was US-American. The Fascist or the at least slightly socially progressive neoliberals? It’s anyone’s guess really. NO. Of course the Dems, fucking obviously.

            So if I was US-American and also hit in the head enough to consider voting for third party in a country with a first-past-the-post voting system, I’d not vote for the Dems as a result.

            This is called the spoiler effect. This makes her a spoiler candidate, no matter her intention.

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              I fucking hate this rhetoric.

              Voting for a third party is not “taking a vote away” from anyone.

              You’re arguing with someone who would in all likelihood JUST NOT VOTE if not for an alternative option. If you want assurances that fascism doesn’t get voted in, how about you direct that passion towards getting people to vote for someone, anyone, instead of staying at home? That is the only certain way of getting not-the-GOP-candidate elected time and time again. Republicans always come out to vote in about the same numbers every election. Just get more people voting, and not only do the Dem numbers go up, but the viability of a third party goes up astronomically as well.

              Just VOTE. For anyone!

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                You’re arguing with someone who would in all likelihood JUST NOT VOTE if not for an alternative option

                Just because the big silly in this conversation is a big silly, doesn’t mean all the sillies are. There’s lots of sillies who are silly enough to vote third party but not silly enough to abstain.

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              3 months ago

              The Fascist or the at least slightly socially progressive neoliberals

              Neither are acceptable, both are genocidal regimes that are working towards WW3, Climate Collapse, and genocide. The only peaceful solution is voting third party, otherwise revolution is necessary. Taking the miniscule chance of a peaceful solution is morally correct, especially if we believe revolution to be necessary.

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                3 months ago

                Drag is happy that you get to feel like you’re being peaceful, but sad that you’ve convinced yourself the way to do so is through apathy and inaction. Drag wonders if you’d feel the same way if you understood that choosing not to do a good thing is still choosing to do a bad thing.

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                    3 months ago

                    You’re not talking the same as drag. Drag is using drag’s first person pronoun, you’re just saying your name.

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                  Drag should not assume I am saying electoralism is the end all, be all of political action. I am advocating for organizing outside the electoral system as the primary role of leftists, and refusing to give the electoral system legitimacy. Voting Dem is not a “good thing,” because the Dems are unacceptable and will lead to genocide, world war 3, and failed climate action.

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                    3 months ago

                    Drag is confused. How does voting legimitise the electoral system? Drag mostly does direct action, but drag also votes.

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          Alternative voting systems haven’t proven to be even the slightest obstacle to capitalist rule. Japan and Australia have alternative voting systems, and they’re still on the same far right path, still evict indigenous peoples, and still act as US military bases.

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            3 months ago

            That’s because Australia is using the seat system, which is like a supercharged electoral college. Australia needs proportional representation.