• hperrin@lemmy.world
    1992·
    2 个月前

    “It was just a joke!”

    Oh, I don’t get it. Can you explain to me what the joke is? Like, can you put into words why you find that funny?

    • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
      5621·
      2 个月前

      I think it’d be subverting expectations. From the start you might think it’s about the Pacific trash island that has collected there, but then it turns the other way and calls Puerto Rico a trash island. A decently funny joke imo, even if rude. I’ve seen the same joke being done about the UK and it did get a proper chuckle out of me.

      • taladar@sh.itjust.works
        847·
        2 个月前

        The main difference is that the UK used to be powerful and did a lot of bad things to a lot of countries around the world. Puerto Rico on the other hand has always been weak so it feels weird for someone in a much more powerful area of the world to pick on them.

        • cpw@lemmy.ca
          66·
          2 个月前

          Good comedy can punch up, but very rarely works when punching down. Punching down is generally just bullying in disguise.

            • Karjalan@lemmy.world
              1·
              2 个月前

              Jeselnik is a class act. What’s interesting to me is that the guy in the op, essentially has the same Roast style as Jeselnik. But the way they execute it is key.

              I saw some of the ops bits from a comedy central roast, and they were really funny… But when you put him in the context of being at a trump rally wave saying stuff like this it’s like “ohhh, you’re not making subvertive jokes, you’re just a bigot hiding behind ‘comedy’”

        • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
          224·
          2 个月前

          It can be meaner but for a stand-up I think it could be fine, if the context is comedy and it didn’t have genuine hatred behind it. In this case it’s clear that it was used as a tool of hatred and not just for making a joke.

        • Tudsamfa@lemmy.world
          32·
          2 个月前

          I don’t think how places used to be plays any part in how funny insulting them is. Despite being as powerful as the UK when it was last relevant and worse, I think people would still be offended if he said Japan instead. “Always OK to hate colonizers” as someone put it my butt, the internet just really wants to make fun of France and not feel bad about it.

          • taladar@sh.itjust.works
            31·
            2 个月前

            I would say it is fair to make fun of them as long as they themselves still glorify that past.

            • Tudsamfa@lemmy.world
              2·
              2 个月前

              So you would say it’s fair if he had said “It’s called Japan” instead? They glorify their recent past as well.

              • taladar@sh.itjust.works
                2·
                2 个月前

                If by recent past you mean the genocides in their most recent wars with their neighbors then yes, I would say that would qualify them to be made fun of in that way. If you just mean some industrial successes in the 1980s, not so much.

    • tino@lemmy.world
      4·
      2 个月前

      I don’t understand the joke because everybody knows the trash island (not an island btw, you cannot walk on it) is in the Pacific Ocean, and Puerto Rico is on the Atlantic Ocean, so it’s inaccurate. I mean… geography is important, otherwise, you could do the joke with any island in the world and as a French, I would of course pick Great Britain.

      (ok, that would be funny, then)

  • owenfromcanada@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1261·
    2 个月前

    They can’t vote, so why would they care? Easy targets, no apparent consequences.

    Edit: /s

  • ButtermilkBiscuit@lemm.eeEnglish
    711·
    2 个月前

    Tony Hinchcliffe is not funny. Watched his podcast for a while then totally abandoned it because I realized I wasn’t laughing during most episodes. It’s mostly seasoned comics taking cheap shots at amateurs and then saying some racist shit while they all laugh and no one in the audience does. His nasally voice is annoying as fuck and hitching his wagon to the trump train seems pretty on brand for that fuckwit. His comedy brand caters to the same people who really like Joe Rogan and Alex Jones, both regulars on the podcast. Shocking I know.

    • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
      1753·
      2 个月前

      Are they? Are they really? Puerto Rico still isn’t allowed to be it’s own state

      Downvoters somehow missing the point where Puerto Ricans are basically treated as second class citizens because of where they live. Puerto Rico should be it’s own state already

      • bss03@infosec.pub
        56·
        2 个月前

        They are still U S. citizens, just not citizens of any state. Same thing can happen if you are born in DC or a military base not in a state.

        American Samoans are the ones that really get screwed. They are just U S. nationals. All the responsibilities of citizens (including the draft when it exists) but not all of the benefits.

        • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
          42·
          2 个月前

          It was kind of my point that they were treated as second class citizens, like Samoans, just because of where they were born. Puerto Rico should be it’s own state already

          • bss03@infosec.pub
            2·
            2 个月前

            I think maybe the text of your post did not convey that sentiment, particularly given the reliability of Poe’s Law. Perhaps in the future, you might include a visible indicator that you are using satire?

        • ricecake@sh.itjust.works
          6·
          2 个月前

          I mean, it’s not because they’re Puerto Rican, it’s because they live in Puerto Rico. Someone from Iowa who moved to Puerto Rico would also not get a vote.
          This is because our system allocates votes to land, not people.
          US citizens don’t get to vote for president. They get to vote for who their place of residence votes for.

          Up until the 60s, people in DC also didn’t get a vote, because by default only states get a vote, and it’s explicitly not a state.

      • Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de
        71·
        2 个月前

        Are they? Are they really?

        Yes they really are. They are U.S. citizens who are disenfranchised based on location.

        • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
          32·
          2 个月前

          Yeah, maybe it wasn’t entirely clear there but I was trying to say that they were treated as second class citizens that can pay taxes but can’t vote becit of where they live

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
            3·
            2 个月前

            You do know that has nothing to do with being of Puerto Rican ethnicity, right? It has to do with living on Puerto Rico. You can be a citizen of Indonesian descent who lives on Puerto Rico and you still can’t vote for president. But that person, and all of the other U.S. citizens making up the population of Puerto Rico can just hop on a plane or a boat and come to the continental U.S. (or even Hawaii or Alaska), no passport needed, move there without any immigration issues, and vote in the next presidential election.

            It doesn’t matter what your ethnicity is.

            You also can’t vote for president if you live on American Samoa or Guam.

            • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
              1·
              2 个月前

              I thought that was what I said, but having said that, does any of that make sense to you?Puerto Rico is US territory, you should be able to vote. Same for Samoa and other territories

              • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                1·
                2 个月前

                It only makes sense in the context of the electoral college. But I think the electoral college should be gotten rid of via constitutional amendment and the president should be elected by popular vote. In that case, yes, they should be allowed to vote for president.

                As it is now, there’s no mechanism to assign electoral college votes to non-states.

      • ricecake@sh.itjust.works
        71·
        2 个月前

        Puerto Rican statehood is more complicated than that. Becoming a state is a contentious issue even amongst Puerto Ricans.

        • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
          22·
          2 个月前

          Is it?

          I had friends there for a long time, they all basically either wanted the US out or had it be a US state, anything but this in between nothing that they’re in now

            • don@lemm.ee
              3·
              2 个月前

              A 2019 Gallup poll found 83% of Democrats in the US, but only 35% of Republicans, supported Puerto Rican statehood. A 2020 survey by International Policy Digest found that “The majority of Democrats showed support for statehood for both D.C. (61.8%) and Puerto Rico (69.7%)” while among Republicans, only 26.7% supported D.C. statehood and 34.8% supported Puerto Rican statehood.

              That speaks volumes.

  • jaemo@sh.itjust.works
    62·
    2 个月前

    The real joke is that the Trump campaign is tripping over itself now to disavow this message. Meanwhile it’s come to light that this “comedian” was going to drop a c-bomb in his material in reference to Kamala, but the Trump campaign told him to remove it, and he complied.

    Meaning they vetted the material and were a-fuckin’-ok with garbage island, only to later lie more and try to backpedal.

    They’re not even good at lying, kids.

    Edit: spelling

    • Sarmyth@lemmy.world
      21·
      2 个月前

      I’m still baffled by the logic of having a roaster/crowd work guy doing a set at a convention. Like… he was gonna insult people and start shit. It’s literally his job.

      He’s not my cup of tea, but he’s been around and successful for a while now. He’s not an unknown entity who they could claim acted unpredictable.

      • SupahRevs@lemmy.world
        17·
        2 个月前

        Eminem spoke at a Harris rally. But he’s an adult who cares about people and expects as much from his government.

        • Sarmyth@lemmy.world
          3·
          2 个月前

          I didn’t watch because it’s a republican political rally but he usually talks shit about other white people in the form of self deprecating humor in the shorts that get passed through my algorithm, so … maybe? It doesn’t help matters much though if he did, and it wouldn’t be on the same level as calling the whole island trash.

          Usually racial comedy can be fun when it takes advantage of knowledge of the in crowd. Like you couldn’t really know to make fun of something unless you yourself were a fan of it. Like there are fun ways to joke around about cultures you love. He wasn’t doing that.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        51·
        2 个月前

        Some people find that word to be too misogynistic to use as an epithet. I’m not quite sure where I stand on that myself, but I tend to avoid it overall.

        • pingveno@lemmy.worldEnglish
          31·
          2 个月前

          In the context of the US, it most certainly is. Other places, maybe not so much.

        • jaemo@sh.itjust.works
          21·
          2 个月前

          I’m not British so I cannot use it in the proper manner. Literally the only demographic that can get away with it being an 8/10 on the Carlin index of offense terminology. If you aren’t British it’s pretty much a 10.

    • auzy@lemmy.world
      2·
      2 个月前

      Last I saw they just claim it’s just comedy and the left wing has no sense of humor

      They’d absolutely hate shows like Brooklyn 99 because there aren’t really any racist jokes, and it’s too “woke” for them

  • Xanthrax@lemmy.world
    626·
    2 个月前

    Tony, Chapelle, and Joe Rogan are actively murdering comedy. They blame everyone but themselves because they can’t get with the times. They look down on people and punch down constantly, and still manage to miss the mark. They are not down to earth, they are not relatable, and they should NOT be looked up to.

    • auzy@lemmy.world
      9·
      2 个月前

      That’s spot on.

      If you look at actual funny people, they’ve worked out a way to do it without being heavily racist.

      If you look at shows like Brooklyn 99, they did an amazing job at respecting everyone whilst being hilarious. The parts of this nonsense I saw, was just cringe. It seemed like they were trying more to advertise racism than going for humor, because even my mates are funnier and they’re not professionals

      It feels like they were probably surrounded by yes men their whole lives so have lost touch

  • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
    351·
    2 个月前

    They’re absolutely terrified of Puerto Rican statehood, so they try to drive them away.

    Little piss-baby cowards.

  • DogPeePoo@lemm.ee
    281·
    2 个月前

    Piece of shit human trash calls Puerto Rico “trash”. Republicans are shit 💩

  • sploosh@lemmy.world
    26·
    2 个月前

    But… PR is part of the US and is a wonderful place full of kind people. I spent one of the best vacations of my life there going all the way around the island (and Culebra!) and it was nothing but gorgeous views, great food, friendly people (it does help to speak Spanish so you understand how friendly they are) and relaxing days.

    And that was when the country was getting rocked by earthquakes and had recently been battered by a few climate-change monster hurricanes. Screw people who hate on PR, that place rocks and is more resilient than your average conservative commentator.

    • LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world
      71·
      2 个月前

      But… PR is part of the US and is a wonderful place full of kind people.

      Yes, and ones who don’t vote for these losers. That’s what’s got them butthurt. And the fact that they’re a majority Hispanic place where everyone born there is automatically a U.S. citizen. I’m sure that also makes them seethe.

      • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
        4·
        2 个月前

        The main reason PR isn’t a state is because Republicans are scared of how brown people would vote… and to a much greater extent, brown people in general.

      • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        2 个月前

        Yes, and ones who don’t vote for these losers. That’s what’s got them butthurt.

        Puerto Ricans don’t vote for anybody. They don’t have representation in Congress, and they have zero electoral votes because they aren’t a state.

        So, no, they’re just butthurt because of racism, and Puerto Rico can’t do anything about it because they don’t have any representation.

  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    261·
    2 个月前

    This was such a weird choice, when the GOP was already getting more Latino support than previously… Wouldn’t they want to court these people? Why would they straight up insult an entire voting bloc (one that experts have said could decide the outcome) this close to an election??

    I know it’s most likely just racism and stupidity, but I couldn’t help but think that this dude did this on purpose to get less people to vote Republican? I mean, why else would they do this?

    I previously knew this dude from his name, as the guy who writes most people’s (particularly non-comedians) insult jokes at Roasts. I’m kind of surprised (but not really, I believe he hangs/hung around Rogan) he’s a Trump supporter given the type of material he’s written in the past.

    I’m not a fan of Roasts, but I’m pretty sure this dude was supposed to be considered like the best at that. At least previously.

    Maybe someone who knows more about this guy can weigh in on it. It’s probably just racism if I’m being real.

  • BoobaAwooga@lemmynsfw.com
    23·
    2 个月前

    What a fucking cunt Jesus Christ. The racist rhetoric has really stepped up these past few months since there’s been 0 consequences

  • lobut@lemmy.ca
    21·
    2 个月前

    The joke only works if you understand that it’s not true and that no one can obviously believe it.

    If it’s done where you and everyone thinks it’s true, you’re at a Klan rally or probably at the comedy mothership or something.

  • Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world
    18·
    2 个月前

    I used to know someone who is half Puerto Rican, her dad is a marine, her mom is full PR. And they are ALL hardcore right wingers.

    Even they wouldn’t switch votes after this.