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Posting what I said on this in another thread-
So, this decision is really bad for reasons that go beyond sick workers. It’s really unpopular to mention but COVID isn’t over, it’s not gone. We just normalized the suffering and shunted the most vulnerable into its path. As one of those vulnerables still trying to survive, masking has been an exhausting situation. I mask, I have to, and antimask sentiment makes it hard to operate in a world that already wishes I wouldn’t. Decisions like this cause harm in wider ways. I wrote an email to In-N-Out Owner/President Lynsi Snyder about this in response to this policy. I don’t think she cares what this policy does, but I’m sharing here for others who may want to understand.
I’m writing to ask you to please reverse your recent decision to ban employees from wearing a mask unless medically exempt. This decision shows not only a complete disregard for the health and safety of your employees and customers, as everyone is affected by disease spread, but is also profoundly ableist and lacking an understanding of current (and historic) context. Requiring employees to not only divulge their medical information to their employers but also openly to the public is a mindset rooted in othering people who are disabled or otherwise medically vulnerable. In general, it’s bad when a marginalized group must publicly declare their status as such, but especially now when people are already struggling to survive an ongoing pandemic amidst the hostility of antimask sentiment. This decision furthers that othering and hostility, making those employees into targets. But this decision doesn’t just impact your employees directly, it feeds into that larger cultural antimask sentiment and perpetuates ableism. This lack of understanding of the impact of your decision is a clear message that it’s not just those employees your company does not value, but all disabled and vulnerable people. Please show your abity to learn and understand the impacts of your decision, as well as your disapproval of ableism, and reverse this decision. Further, I urge you to demonstrate actual value for your employees and customers by adapting to our reality and implementing measures to reduce the spread of covid and other pathogens in your restaurants and other workplaces. This can be achieved through simple measures like improving the ventilation and filtration in buildings, improving sick leave policies, and other actions including, yes, masking by employees.
Thank you Xxx
PS This company push to ignore our current reality and new cultural understanding of disease spread is not just callous, it’s boring. Be better.
We just normalized the suffering and shunted the most vulnerable into its path.
That isn’t what happened. We developed highly effective vaccines that keep you from dying and reduce your chance of serious illness and/or long covid. Hospitalizations for COVID have absolutely cratered faster than cases have. Like, the rule they made is fucking stupid, they deserve to eat shit over it, but you don’t have to completely mischaracterize what we did as a society in pushing back against employers being shitty to their employees.
COVID isn’t the only disease passed by aerosolized droplets. The availability of a COVID vaccine is irrelevant.
My feelings are this: if anyone feels like they should wear a mask, I absolutely want them to wear one. Whether that is for their risk from the public, or their risk to the public, if they think it’s needed, it is needed. Err on the side of caution.
Agreed, particularly on the point of want to wear mask, do so. Let’s take back what freedom means. Also, I work in vaccine development, primarily focused on respiratory diseases for oh these short 20 years. We all get all the recommended vaccines because we understand what that means. About 30% of us still wear masks, and are always allowed to join meetings online instead of in person.
I’m not mischaracterizing I’m illuminating an issue many have overlooked. Yes, the vaccines are effective against most variants at reducing serious illness and death for many. But they aren’t preventing infection or long term impacts from infection, have waning effectiveness, and there are many for whom they aren’t effective enough or at all (those vulnerables I mentioned). Many are still dying every week and last info we had showed in the US about half of those dying were vaccinated.
This part is mostly a rant- Covid (and others diseases) disrupts lives and can cause serious medical complications for many, yes even now. Those people’s needs have largely been ignored, now and before covid. We have a better understanding of how disease spread impacts everyone and how we can prevent it. We learned these lessons at the expense of millions of lives and instead of honoring that and implementing changes to better all our lives we’re squabbling over inefficient vaccines that many won’t take. I’m pro vaccines, but they’re currently not a solution to covid.
What if the vaccine isn’t effective with your body? You’re not allowed to protect yourself?
Of course you are.
CDC stopped reporting on covid in May. More people are dying from clogged arteries than covid right now.
And? People get sick from other airborne illnesses too, no person or company should ever be able to prevent someone from doing something that protects their body from injury. Banning masks, bathroom breaks, water breaks, etc, it’s all the same shit fucking sandwhich
Weird how nobody gave a shit about that before… hell nobody gives a shit about that now. I can count the number of people ive seen this month wearing a mask with 1 hand. I see hundreds of people a day and the only people that ive seen wearing masks wear it under their chin anyways. Tired of all this virtue signaling, nobody fucking cares
Yea, no one cares about disabled and vulnerable lives. That’s the point, that’s what we’re trying to convey. Thanks for clarifying for yourself.
Yes, nobody cares about disabled and vulnerables lives. So much that the only people that care are internet kids who say to boycott a place they probably dont even go to.
Why are you pro an environment in which your life isn’t valued, and so bothered by people who aren’t?
Im bothered that this is such a stupid thing to get your dick caught in a blender for. Its as stupid as boycotting a beer company for lgbt support or boycotting Twitter for having Elon as a CEO. Its all childish fugazi anger directed at pointless bullshit
Everyone should stop feeding this troll. Just add him to your block list and move on. He’s not worth your time or anger.
Oh no he disagrees with meeeeeeeee better smash that unlike button cuz they are definitely a Le Troll amirite gang. Five ass slaps if you agree and dont forget to absolutely pulverize that bell
Your being downvoted… but if we were actually worried about everyone’s health, we’d shut down all fast food and ban sugary sodas. Health only matters when it doesn’t affect the $$$ flow of the rich.
As someone living on the East Coast who is never within 2,000 miles of an In n Out Burger, I’ll continue to do my part.
Love the In N Out double double, it’s tastier, and cheaper than McDonalds, but I won’t be going back to In N Out again, as forcing employees to be less comfortable and less safe in their working environment, one which necessitates them dealing literally face to face with a mostly uncaring unsafe unhealthy public is the line I draw in the sand. I still choose to wear my mask in public places like retail stores, because COVID is still very real. Everyone should be able to make their own choices, and stripping this right from an employee is not something I want to support with my patronage.
I still choose to wear my mask in public places like retail stores, because COVID is still very real.
I still wear a mask in stores, but it’s mainly because I don’t want to breath in whatever is flaking off the 400+ pound man in stained pajamas waddling around the Walmart. A lower chance of spreading or catching COVID is just gravy IMO.
I’m pretty sure masks don’t block most smells.
People smiled with their eyes so much more during the COVIDs.
It is obvious when someone with a mask on is smiling.
We have very elderly mothers, and sisters with cancer, so my family still masks. I smile at people all the time, they smile back, everyone goes away feeling good. I don’t understand how some people get so worked up over masks. 🤦♀️
The obvious take away is they dont want to see people smiling because they like seeing happy people.
They like to see smiles because it makes themselves happy to see smiles.
It’s ridiculously selfish even if you ignore that you’re putting everyone’s health at risk
Next they’ll be like …. No employees are allowed to wash their hands… hand washing is woke.
Killer strawman my dude. You must have strictly stayed inside for the last 3 years too huh
That… that’s not what a strawman is
Sooo it didnt oversimplify and attack something that wasnt in discussion. I think you should look up what a strawman argument is bubster
This is bassakwards. Forget covid, all cooks should be required to wear a mask while in a kitchen for the same reasons they’re wear hair nets and we have sneeze guards on salad bars. I don’t want some cook coughing on my burger.
Yeah exactly. Why more people haven’t taken COVID as an opportunity to learn that spitting germs out of your mouth on food is gross, is beyond me.
Fuck you if your spouse or parents are going thru chemo, huh?
doctors note
Don’t eat out? It’s their responsibility to stay safe, not everybody else’s responsibility to keep them safe.
I meant, what if the in and out employee was living with someone immunocompromised.
Would that count? Should the employee be forced to tell an in and out manager that they are living with someone like that?Then don’t work a job that has you interacting with thousands of people a day. If you’re the only one wearing a mask it’s only keeping YOU from spreading what you already have and you shouldn’t be working anyway.
I love how they pretend Covid is gone. News flash it’s not, especially for vulnerable people.
It’s never going to be gone, specifically because of people like this.
Just like the flu never went away after the 1918 pandemic, again, because of people like to this.
They never really acknowledged it was here. I live near one of the Colorado locations and it has been (in)famous for COVID outbreaks the entire pandemic. And, for whatever obvious reasons, In-N-Out hasn’t had the same closures enforced on them that every other restaurant did. During an outbreak they’re supposed to close for a few days in our state, but they’re basically the only restaurant that has refused to close and has never faced repercussions out here. It’s maddening.
There’s TWO in colorado. One opened last year, the the other just opened in April.
And yet the world still turns. Everybody else has just forgotten it, and dealt with it if they caught it. There’s lots of things in the world that are “sub optimal”. Deal with it.
People are dealing with it. By wearing masks
Yeah, they want to deal with it by wearing a mask but their company won’t let them.
Dude, getting caught in the rain without an umbrella = deal with it. Pretending there’s not still a pandemic is foolish.
This is a novel virus and we already suspect it’s fucking with people’s brains and hearts in ways we can’t detect. We have no idea what “long Covid” is really doing to people yet. For example, if you get chicken pox as a kid, you may get shingles as an adult.
For your sake I hope being flippant about this doesn’t come back to haunt you.
Just because everyone else has forgotten it doesn’t mean the aware just have to shrug and forget about it. The average person is ignorant AF
This doesn’t really seem like the right community to post this. Maybe try a news community, like !news@lemmy.world? (I think I linked that right)
Are they also banned from wearing gloves while handling my food?
Anyway, Five Guys >
Unfortunately, I cannot eat at Five Guy’s or Chick-Fil-A because I am allergic to peanuts and they use peanut oil.
I’ll eat my next one in your honor friend
5 Guys is superior anyway. Their Cajun fries are amazing.
Agreed, best fries in the biz. And the burgers are consistently delicious.
Where I currently live five guys is consistently twenty bucks pricier than in n out and the product isnt as good. Previously I lived where five guys was very tasty and in n out didn’t exist
This is my experience. Five Guys is a $25+ burger/fries/drink. It’s like $12/$14ish for in-n-out last I checked
5 Guys is also twice the price and I would argue that their burgers aren’t actually better than In-n-Out’s. I like thousand island sauce tho, so I’m a bit biased.
Totally agree with you about the Cajun fries, they completely blow away In-n-Out’s fries but their fries set a pretty low bar imo.
There are none within a few hundred miles of me so … I’m doing my part?
Overrated anyway. I was born and raised in L.A. and there are a million better burgers to be found. Oh, and their fries really just suck. :|
We got some in my state recently, and I have to agree. I had always heard about in and out and wanted to try. Boy, was it disappointing. Hamburgers just okay, but the fries are terrible.
Oh, and their fries really just suck. :|
No matter what praise I’ve seen of In-N-Out the criticism of their fries seems nearly universal.
Totally agree. Don’t understand the cult following. It’s just fast food. Necessary on the road sometimes but I can’t imagine why someone would be excited about it.
It’s a tourist thing. People hear In-N-Out is “good” and, frankly, the burgers are pretty damn good for the price point. But it’s about going to In-N-Out, getting a t-shirt, and taking a selfie with your bestie surrounded by 50s diner decor, and then, continuing on your road trip or whatever.
There’s always a place nearby to get a “better” burger, and you could pull better fries out of a store-branded bag of frozen “seasoned potato sticks”, but the food ain’t the reason people go.
I like that it’s relatively cheap, but the fries are bad.
Say you arent really from LA without saying you arent really from LA. Where you gonna go thats better thats as cheap… Dinos? Nasty ass Tommys? Ur crusty ass probably gonna say Jims
Imagine white knighting friggin’ In-N-Out of all places, with all the far better “cheap” food options available out here. For instance, Tommy’s - seeing it’s been around here longer than In-N-Out lol.
Tommys is strictly intended to feed the morbidly obese. Im not out here defending tommys because thats dog food. However, there must be a reason theres a line for 2 hours during covid lockdowns at in n out and not at Tommys.
Why someone would wait in line 2 hours for a middling burger is beyond me.
Maybe because people like it? Maybe cuz its pretty good?
Where did I say nobody likes it? Or that it isn’t any good? Or that someone shouldn’t wait that long if they actually dig it that much?
I was born here in 1970, genius. 😂 Back when the Valley was 213 area code. Did you even know that it used to be 213 and wasn’t always 818? JFC, some people. In & Out sucks, you spend more in gas waiting in their fucking lines than you save by eating their shitty ass fries and weak burgers. You’re acting like I slapped your mother.
I quit going there recently after reading that most of their meat comes from a place that is so bad it’s nicknamed Cowschwitz.
Its bad even getting close to Cowshwitz. The air is kind of green as you get close to it on the 5, all of a sudden you remember it’s there and try desperately to roll up windows or shut down the airflow in the car. In the end, it doesn’t help.
Is cowshwitz Harris Ranch? It smells bad on the way, but what’s wrong with it, I mean beyond whatever is wrong with any similar place?
I hadn’t really researched it; i was just turned off by the nickname. Actually Temple Grandin said they’re not bad to the animals, other than fattening and slaughtering, which is kinda their job.
I will fight the urge to drive 635 miles to my nearest In-N-Out because of this.
Am I mistaken or aren’t they also major republican donors too?
I mean… they have Bible verses printed on their cups and fry containers and what not… I worked for them back in the day and the founders were 100% what you’d imagine when you think of rich white SoCal conservatives… this saddened me but didn’t surprise me at all… and honestly, until I saw this headline I’d root for them 100% because they treat their employees well, pay well, and promote from within. As a company to work for (this decision excluded) they are pretty damn great.
Although I’d like to offer an alternative to the conservative COVID denial option, which is they are very old school… I could totally see a couple of boomers deciding customer service (smiling at your customers like a cheesy training video from the 80s) is more important than health concerns.
Tried looking them up on goodsuniteus.com, but they don’t have ‘em.
Fortunately, OpenSecrets’ got 'em: https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/in-n-out-burger/summary?id=D000072295edit, 'cause I can’t help myself…
Congressional Leadership Fund (C/R)
- Total: $750,000
- From Individuals: $0
- From PACs: $750,000
- Type: Carey
Walker, Herschel (C/R)
- Total: $2,910
- From Individuals: $2,910
- From PACs: $0
- Type: Candidate (R-GAS2)
Republican National Cmte (C/R)
- Total: $2,000
- From Individuals: $2,000
- From PACs: $0
- Type: Political Party
National Republican Congressional Cmte (C/R)
- Total: $1,540
- From Individuals: $1,540
- From PACs: $0
- Type: Political Party
National Republican Senatorial Cmte (C/R)
- Total: $600
- From Individuals: $600
- From PACs: $0
- Type: Political Party
Libertarian National Cmte (No View)
- Total: $459
- From Individuals: $459
- From PACs: $0
- Type: Political Party
Sanders, Bernie (No View)
- Total: $200
- From Individuals: $200
- From PACs: $0
- Type: Candidate (I-VTS1)
Trump, Donald (C/R)
- Total: $192
- From Individuals: $192
- From PACs: $0
- Type: Candidate (R-PRES)
Warren, Elizabeth (L/D)
- Total: $75
- From Individuals: $75
- From PACs: $0
- Type: Candidate (D-MAS1)
Harshbarger, Diana (C/R)
- Total: $5
- From Individuals: $5
- From PACs: $0
- Type: Candidate (R-TN01)
Daaaang, thanks for the digging!
Oh wow. It’s nothing.
TIL - In N Out operates in more states than just CA and OR.
Which states?
Edit: Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Texas and Utah.
Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/19/1188706519/in-n-out-burger-bans-employees-from-wearing-masks
Texas as well. There are a couple.
Nevada and Utah too. I think it’s mostly the western block of states
Its in california and texas, and will branch to nearby states because its conpany policy to have a fresh supply of beef, so maintaining a short distance between source and store is cruicial for them.
