i don’t hate windows because of design inconsistencies and imagined security differences. i hate windows because it shoves ads in my face and spies on me, and every time i dig through the registry to get it to not do that, it gets undone with the next system update.
i use linux because it doesn’t make me do that in order to have a system i consider usable.
Also the pulling-teeth-process of updating Windows. How does a commercial OS shit the bed on that so hard?
What’s the problem with the updates? I don’t have any problems with OS-Updates on W11 and also have no commercials or Copilot or shit like this. And no update ever tried to bring me those things. EU btw
My last experience with Windows was with Windows 10, but updates were always taking an extremely long time both to download (my internet is a bit slow, Linux updates have way smaller download sizes) and to install, and update installation often failed.
Ah okay, we had 50k DSL for the longest time now, and updates never were really a problem. Yes, they download in the background but never really influenced my internet usage. And updates never really broke anything for me. But I also never update ASAP. But everyone’s mileage may vary. I mainly use my PC for entertainment purposes and picture editing. No problems there except with Adobe, because it’s a shit show of a program suite, haha
I feel like it’s a thing in the EU, where we don’t have ads or shit like that in Windows. Been using Windows 11 for like a month now and haven’t seen a single ad.
Recently I had two major problems with Windows updates that needed manual intervention in a very user unfriendly way.
Earlier this year one of the security updates for 22H2 broke my computer’s recovery partition and prevented the update to install and constantly fail. It took like a week for Microsoft to acknowledge the issue, at which point they said they would post a fix shortly. Then a whole month later they said they wouldn’t/couldn’t fix it automatically and anyone affected would have to manually delete the partition, shrink your main disk partition, and recreate the recovery partition. On top of that, there was no notification of the issue or how to fix it, one would have to notice the update keeps failing, look up the error, and dig up the instructions from their blog. And then go through the ugly process of editing partitions which I can’t imagine most users doing.
Either that or just live with no recovery until the next time you reinstall the os.
The second issue this year was halfway through a windows update (when it just reboots a couple times) my computer just simply stopped booting. I could power cycle and everything and after the bios it would just black screen forever. The only way I got around it was to hop into the bios and change the boot order. Another thing I wouldn’t expect normal users should have to do to just boot the computer
And I personally have seen all the ads in Windows explorer, the start menu, the lock screen, etc. and the massive pushing of Copilot being added to the toolbar even after removing it manually. And readding OneDrive. I’m in the US though so that’s probably why (it’s nice to know the only reason Microsoft does all this because they’re not legally pressured not to. Gives me so much trust in them to do the right thing with my computer and data)
I’ve since moved to Linux (which I’ve used on my work machine for many years) and have had near zero issues. It’s very nice not worrying how my computer is going to make itself worse without my consent next
edit: I definitely wouldn’t consider myself a fanatic that tries to convert everyone to Linux. For a lot of people Windows is the best choice, but in my case in particular it really has made things easier
I am not a fan of the design inconsistencies or the apparent desire within Microsoft to change the entire GUI style every 5 minutes, but the way Windows has turned into bloated AF adware/spyware has been the main force behind me moving to Linux. I would have been happy with Windows XP forever if they just kept updating DirectX etc.
My other major annoyance is how Windows Update now forces itself on you, forces a reboot, then takes forever, and of course will randomly fail to apply the updates. Whereas with Linux, the updates just… work. And they don’t take half an hour to do nothing.
yeah that’s what people complain about on windows sure
I also enjoy fucking around with a game controller while staring at the Windows Start Menu with no video game open.
I love the concept of a bunch of people holding game controllers and staring at the start menu.
No way this is real
(See 3:30 timestamp)
Arch users
As a Linux user, can I just say, fuck Arch users. Especially Arch users who tell beginners to use Arch.
What would we do without the arch wiki?
Hell, I use the Arch wiki for my Debian WSL most of the time to configure my Docker containers, it’s the best linux wiki out there.
No need to push beginners towards arch, they’ll become curious and check it out just for the meme anyways
On an unrelated note, have you heard the good news about our Lord and Savior, NixOS?
As an arch user, if you tell someone who’s never used Linux before to use Arch, I’m taking away your using-Linux privileges. Possibly also your having-kneecaps privileges.
All I see is 4 Linux users whose eggs are about to crack.
Honest question to y’all windows users:
Do you have fun with your operating system?Yes because I get to play games without having to do the equivalent of installing five different Windows library emulation tools and hours configuring/troubleshooting several scripts just to launch a simple ASCII roguelike game or an Unreal Engine game with shitty DRM.
I literally just press play on steam
Sure keep telling yourself that you enjoy all the ads, malware, garbage UI and UX, bloated size, cost, etc
Nobody has fun using windows, they just tolerate it.
i’m with you on everything else, but i don’t know if linux desktop as a whole is a shining example of good UX/UI, oof…
whats “linux desktop”?
- plasma certainly has better ux/ui than windows
- gnome definitely does too
- cinnamon may be debatable
- tiling window managers are in my view unrivaled in ux compared to anything else
- gtk3 and qt also offer extensive theming on posix compliant systems
- proper terminal centric design is also very important to me, making windows as a whole an unbearable user experience
dude i use i3 and arch as a daily driver. for work too. and i LOVE it even if it can get a little janky.
but you cannot with a straight face tell me a user new to linux will find it comfortable to use. let alone people used to other tools like graphic designers (try telling THEM to switch to gimp and inkscape, or even worse to try to use the adobe suite with wine, and see the response you get)
we linux weenies can make our desktop and tools comfortable for us. the average person will ask you where chrome is and give up after you try explaining to them what a flatpak is for the third time.
Saying something that could be construed as positive towards windows on lemmy???
I don’t think people’s #1 problem with Windows is that the icons are inconsistent sometimes.
Oh man I love playing Start Menu. One of those games that just doesn’t work on Linux.
inconsistency with icons and design in some areas
Sounds like a straw man argument. What Linux user would cite that as a complaint against Windows?
(I use arch btw)
A noob, or anyone who spends too much time on /UnixDesktops without realizing that /rainmeter is also a thing.
Just answering your question. Debian here
Wow, I’m having so much fun staring at the start menu.
Linux folks can get annoying sometimes, but Windows has become absolutely painful to use recently. It’s adware is absolutely disgusting, in line with everything else in corporate society. Every time I use my computer, I’m reminded that I live in a dystopia. When I get a new desktop, it sure as shit won’t run Windows.
