• timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works
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    26 days ago

    It is non-voters. Whether they’re left leaning or center or whatever really doesn’t matter. They’re going to get it one way or the other. They had a chance to drive the car more left but decided it wasn’t worth showing up so now it’s going full speed right wing back to the 50s and worse.

    Congrats?

    I mean, you’re basically making my point. People who don’t vote decide the election with their inaction. Whether it was not coming out for Bernie or not coming out for Kamala, it’s the same thing.

    So yes, thank you for proving my point better than I could. I appreciate the assist.

    Bonus- Bernie finished behind Kamala in Vermont. So let’s not act like progressivism is some silver bullet here.

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      26 days ago

      Buddy, you’re proving mine. If Bernie’s loss in the primary is proof that Americans aren’t that progressive, then Harris and Hillary’s losses in the general prove that Americans aren’t that centrist. You can’t have it both ways.

      So that would mean that the majority of the electorate is far-right, which would make no sense given how strongly progressive ballot measures overperformed against the Harris campaign, or why Bernie polled more favorably against Trump than Clinton or Biden. Somehow, Americans would have disliked centrist and progressive politicians and like far-right politicians, but for some reason prefer progressive policies, and also favor the most high profile progressive in the Senate…or, Occam’s Razor, people prefer progressives, but the Democrats keep rat-fucking them in the primaries in favor of centrists.

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        26 days ago

        Harris and Hillary’s losses in the general prove that Americans aren’t that centrist.

        Expect Trump took the center voters. I think we all see through him, but the center voter loves him for economy and jobs.

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            26 days ago

            Lol still on your strawman huh.

            You know you remind me of a conversation I had with someone else. I told him that I wanted environmental policy, but that environmental platforms didn’t win elections. He couldn’t comprehend separating those out. To him you had to think that environmental policy was good and think it won elections. Or if you said environmental policy didn’t win elections, well to him that meant you personally didn’t want environmental policies. He had to group those two together. He was literally unable to separate them out. Well that’s exactly like you, just on different issues.

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              26 days ago

              Do tell, then. What wins elections? How do you intend to rephrase “just move to the right”?

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                26 days ago

                No response huh! Just (effectively) more strawman. Well think about it. At least try to break that “AND” operator you insist on other people.

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                  25 days ago

                  What, in your estimation, can Democrats do to win elections, and how does it differ from “just move to the right”?

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                    25 days ago

                    See? You’re still on your strawman, just in a different manner. You tried this before too.

                    You want to pigeonhole me into saying drop policy this or that so that you can complete your strawman to think that I personally want ___ platform. You’re playing games.

                    No real discussion can ever be had with you while you insist on your “AND” operator. At least try to break it.

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        26 days ago

        It makes perfect sense when you realize places like Missouri and Florida voted for abortion rights yet also voted for Republicans and trump all over too.

        And again, there’s no big magical force keeping progressives out of winning primaries. They just don’t. So again, my point, either people aren’t that progressive or progressives fucking suck at voting. Either way, same result.

        Moreover, we’ll use your metric of progressive policies winning over Harris and analyze why she won more over Bernie himself. Must mean people are more moderate right?

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          And again, if that’s the case, then centrists are even suckier at voting, because they keep fucking losing even harder. And it still doesn’t explain when progressive preform so much better in elections where Democrats can’t put their thumb on the scales for centrists.