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Henderson could have stayed at Liverpool, less game time but become a mentor, done more charity work etc and cement himself as a Liverpool legend.
Instead he threw it all away to play in front of 800 people, lose all good will, and I guess make bank. Hope that’s worth your legacy being tarnished.
They wanted him gone. He himself said he didn’t feel wanted in Liverpool, you guys underestimate how that influences your decisions, I will agree to cut my salary in half and move to a place where I feel valued as opposed to remaining in a place that doesn’t want me … now imagine both feeling valued and getting paid five times more money … it’s an easy decision.
The 800 was kind of an outlier…
That said, his clubs average home attendance is 7900, in a stadium that holds 35,000
But 9 of the 18 teams are averaging below 5k
And Hendo’s side are now 7th in the league and got knocked out of the cup.
He made his bed…
He didn’t throw away his legacy, no matter what he was the Captain to finally win the prem in over 30 years plus the captain when we won basically everything else during a amazing revival of the team. No one looks down on Stevie for playing in the US or Drogba for playing in China
Why would it tarnish his Legacy as a Footballer. Players play in all sorts of leagues and places. Going to play for a Saudi club doesn’t mean he wants all the Homosexuals banned or shunned. I mean do People check where did the Gas they fill in their Vehicles come from and boycott a petrol pump because the product came from a Saudi Oil field ? Playing in the EPL doesn’t mean that the Players love Monarchy or support UK’ govt policies… Are all Newcastle players homophobic and/or support the Saudi bombings of Yemen?
eh, just like messi or ronaldo, they still have the spirit to play football but their body can no longer keep up with the big league, region like saudi league and the mls is a good compromisation to keep playing especially when you get good money along with it.
And all those money doesn’t even made a different
Like so his grand grand grand children get an extra yacht or two now?
Or he could have gone to another premier league team, like the older Milner did. West Ham would have been perfect.
The only legacy he will now leave is one of hypocrisy.
Give it 5 years mate and he’s a Liverpool legend still and everyone has forgotten this,
I mean if you spoke to about 90% of Liverpool fans IRL I don’t think they give a shit either
He captained Liverpool to the first title in 30 yrs and played for more than 10 yrs. In terms of playing career he is a legend
but people on the internet told me what to think.
You might not care, but many won’t forget what he did.
What about the fans at Wembley booing Henderson?
Reddit isn’t reflective of real life
I have a fairly significant amount of “real” friends who share the opinion on Henderson that is seen on Reddit.
Your real life isn’t everyone’s real life.
And how about the England fans at Wembley booing Henderson, they not real?
I mean neither are the few people you’ll talk to irl, your experience will likely be different to mine.
I imagine that’s because those 90% of fans never gave a shit about lgbt people anyways
And that is the worst part.
Is it hypocrisy if he invests all the Saudi money into LGBT? He obviously won’t, but let’s say he did.
On reddit his legacy is tarnished. In the city and in real life he is still a legend who lead us to the title.
How is this downvoted haha
This fucking website man
I actually think Liverpool wanted him gone and encouraged it. FFP means that £12m is pure profit and it got his large wages off the books.
The club wanted him gone three years ago, Klopp stepped in a demanded an extension for him.
As Liverpool fan… We absolutely did, it came probably a year sooner than we anticipated, as we wouldn’t have expected to let Henderson, Milner and Fabinho go all in one summer but the midfield was looking tired and the wages were high, a revamp was needed, and getting rid of him helped that. If you want to be successful you can’t be too sentimental and our ownership knows this.
He could have always renegotiated his contract to a lower one and then he’d become an absolute legend, while being repaied over the years as a club embassador that does nothing
There were definitely alternatives, he chose to make a bank which wouldn’t be a problem if he didn’t use some social issues for PR earlier
Club upper management, almost certainly
Klopp would have been happy for him to stay, fans too - if he accepted the much reduced role. Last season made it clear he was done as a first team player for us.
Honestly 12m for an aging Henderson is a decent fee. Liverpool made the right call taking the money on offer.
At the end of the day, Henderson decided to go when he had every chance to turn them down
Unfortunately Southgate didn’t get the memo.
Henderson isn’t going to be a first teamer for England either. Dressing room leader and utility player in midfield, who knows his system very well, and he trusts to be of value in his final tournament.
And he didn’t just “leave”. He basically ran out the door. It was all over so fast.
Every ideology has its price
He didn’t throw it all away.
He’s already a Liverpool legend regardless. He captained the team to the first league title in 30 years and a CL title as well.
He’s getting playing time and the bag in Saudi Arabia. Can’t blame him.
Are Liverpool fans not singing about Steven Gerrard any more?
Obviously I can’t speak for all Liverpool fans but I know after his move to Saudi lots don’t see him as a club legend regardless of what he won with us.
I think Gerrard tarnished his legacy with fans by going out there as well.
Can blame him.
Football has never had as much fanatical support by people who have access to info at their fingertips in an era where everything is so well documented. Time will tell how this generation of players will be remembered, but players from 10-15 years ago are remembered as snakes and these sentiments get passed along on places like reddit where people of many ages talk shit about footy. Will be interesting to see how someone who should be a club legend will be remembered in 20 years.
Dude I doubt people will be talking about this in 2 years let alone 15.
So many players are selling out for oil money, including Messi and Ronaldo that it’s not going to care about specific individuals. That’s sportswashing for ya
Are Liverpool fans not singing about Steven Gerrard any more?
Did Steven Gerrard make a big show of supporting LGBT and then fuck off to Saudia Arabia for money?
No?
Okay, then your comparison is pointless.
I believe Steven Gerrard has now indeed “fucked off to Saudi Arabia for money” so I guess his only merit is that he didn’t support LGBTQ causes? That makes him better than Henderson?
If you’re promoting LGBTQ and calling yourself a supporter, then the first opportunity you get are happy to fuck off to a country where you can be killed for being gay then you very clearly do not care at all about the cause you claim to champion. That’s the issue people have with him, he never gave a shit at all but decided to use the gay community for some good PR and then was happy to throw them away as soon as someone offered him more money.
Most people in real life don’t give a shit that he spoke up about gay rights than went off to Saudi Arabia. He’s still going to be considered a legend by most Liverpool fans, regardless of whatever Reddit thinks.
Do you see your logic? Henderson is a worse person than Gerrard even though they are doing the same thing because Henderson spoke up for gay people in this country and Gerrard didn’t.
People assume Henderson did that stuff in the UK for PR reasons and actually doesn’t care. Someone who doesn’t care but pretends to for personal gain is worse than someone who doesn’t care for a lot of people.
Thats…not my logic.
So Tottenham fans should like Sol Campbell more than other Arsenal players because he played for Tottenham first. That’s also a great logic
I personally think Henderson is a worse person for that. Gerrard hasn’t been for or against a sensitive subject like that so if he goes to SA for lots of money, fine, I still think less of him. In my opinion, Henderson is held to higher standard because of his public support for LGBTIQA+.
I’m simplifying but it’s like seeing the average joe driving a Hummer and then Thunberg driving a Hummer. Obviously we’d think much less of Thunberg.
Gerrard only physically assaulted someone and sucks up to organised crime.
But did he come out against violence and organised crime BEFORE he did those things?
I never claimed he wasn’t a dick. I claimed comparisons to Henderson were erroneous.
The comparison holds, Gerrard’s reputation is fine despite his ties to organised crime and his own historic offence(s).
Henderson’s hypocrisy vis-a-vis Saudi Arabia does not outweigh that in most people’s estimation.
And if you think insincerely milking a bit of positive PR is worse than assaulting someone, then you need to get out more.
The comparison doesn’t hold. I’ve already explained why. “Worse” doesn’t come into it. It’s not relevant to why the comparison is awful.
“Person says A is a terrible thing and then does A.”
“Person says nothing public about B and then does B.”
I shouldn’t have to break it down that basic for you but apparently, you don’t get it unless I do.
“Are Liverpool fans not singing about Steven Gerrard any more?” was the qoute. The inference being that gerrard did bad things and is still a hero so why isn’t Henderson? For the reason I just explained.
It’s a terrible, terrible comparison.
But Henderson hasn’t done ‘A’. He’s just sold out to people who do ‘A’.
Whereas Gerrard has done ‘B’. Which is bad regardless of whether or not he’s publicly denounced it previously. Because organised crime and physically attacking people is bad by default.
That’s the comparison. Gerrard’s reputation is intact because barely anyone gives a shit about the moral dimension of his character. By this same measure, Henderson’s will be fine also.
Your logic is astoundingly moronic. It’s like saying Adam Johnson never spoke out against pumping kids so doesn’t belong in the same conversation as Henderson.
I hope it’s not worth it and he regrets it for the rest of his life. What a shame.
I’m a Liverpool fan and Hendo will forever be a legend regardless of him going to Saudi, He has done more for his community than any of us will ever do regardless of him playing in Saudi, Many of us have family and friends working and living in the middle east and I doubt they get tarred and feathered like they are trying to do to Hendo. YNWA
Dude could have gone anywhere else and it would have been better.
Only thing he supports is money.
like every footballer on earth…
Hendersons whole legacy was tarnished by this, that’s crazy
No, no it wasn’t.
Sincerely, a Liverpool fan who enjoyed watching Henderson captain us to the PL & CL.
Yes, yes it was
Sincerely, a gay liverpool fan who gained confidence in knowing our captain supported people like me, just for it to turn out to be a publicity move all along.
Boo hoo.
It’s not Jordan Henderson’s job to make sure your feelings aren’t hurt.
He started his international career by being booed by the fans and he will finish it the same way
Henderson already did more for the LGBT community than 99% of all footballers, that’s an indisputable fact.
Yes, and now he’s completely destroyed much of that
A huge part of the impact he’s had is just from being such an outspoken ally in the position that he was in. Queer supporters really felt seen, which is hugely important in making them feel understood and not alone. And as Daniels is making clear, queer players also felt the same way with him. And so his decision completely destroys what he did with that, and only makes it worse. Not those same people will feel alone and not understood, but also that their support, or the opposite, can just be bought on a whim.
That 99% of work he did… the vast majority of it is completely gone now, and has been replaced by trust issues.
Mind your own business, Jordan’s minding his own. Don’t try to force your views and beliefs into others.
Such bullshit, if you’re gay you’re gay, you don’t need Jordan Henderson or anyone to be a martyr for you. Henderson has no interest in you or your life, only for himself. Be your own hero and don’t rely on celebrities or footballers to speak on your behalf. 99% of them are fucking idiots anyway.
It just goes to show that most ‘holier than thou’ people are just virtue signalling twats.
That’s such a stupid conclusion
Many people do have actual convictions you know
The thing thats not right is the value of his wage comes from being in that country and not playing football. He could still earn more than enough money and not have to move to a religious sandy shithole.
The only thing i question is his basic decision making skills.
Why most? This is just one guy, no need to judge everyone for it. I’m sure there are players who turned down more money because they were morally against Sauid, but we’ll never hear about those people
This is the line that must infuriates me, Henderson’s given people like you all the ammunition you need to disparage any celebrity speaking up for a cause. He hasn’t just tarnished his own reputation, he’s tarnished everyone’s.
I think it is a good thing to show solidarity, be passionate about a cause or causes and speak up about it.
I don’t think the language you’re using is helpful here, seems like a very cynical worldview. Just because Jordan Henderson sold out his beliefs for a bit of cash doesn’t mean that everyone who cares about social causes is a “virtue signalling twt” and it’s unhelpful to tarnish people with that brush.
Just my two cents on the matter seeing as you gave yours
Virtue signalling is a term that’s seldom used correctly or in good faith. Most of the time people do actually care about the virtues they spout.
It’s only really used by people who want to defend themselves from fair criticism because “everyone secretly thinks like them”
‘holier than thou’ is reddit specialty
Most? You sure about that?
This.
It’s extremely easy to defend someone or something when you’ve got nothing to lose. Henderson had a lot to gain actually.
He basically went from being rich to being slightly more rich. I don’t think he increases his quality of life much.
The best part is how he tries to justify it, like him being in Saudi will make any sort of difference. Not only is he a man who’s word have no value whatsoever… He’s probably also has an exaggerated sense of self worth( I think a lot of celebrities would have ).
I think it will make small, negative difference. Saudi opinion is we are a bunch hypocritical whores who will abandon any principle if they throw enough money at us. Henderson is now prime example.
It’s extremely easy to defend someone or something when you’ve got nothing to lose.
When making a ham and eggs breakfast, the chicken is involved but the pig is fully commited
regarding LGBT, henderson was involved
It seems like he’s not going to jeopardise generational wealth over virtue signalling
There was no jeopardy involved, he already had generational wealth and still would have earned millions in England.
He was a Liverpool footballer for 10-12 years, he’s already got generational wealth, the money he’s on now just guarantees his grandkids are gonna be assholes
He’s been a PL footballer for over a decade, he has generational wealth
he’s not going to jeopardise generational wealth over virtue signalling
he could have just had some actual virtue
Never had if he chose the bag over what he believes in… Question we should ask is if Jake Daniels would go earn the bag at Saudi rather than rotting at a league one bench
Question we should ask is if Jake Daniels would go earn the bag at Saudi rather than rotting at a league one bench
I think Jake, an openly gay man, might have a couple issues going to the Saudi league to be honest
Foreigners/expats have different rules in saudi…everyone knows this, he’ll be alright if he doesn’t make a big fuss about being gay
“He’ll be alright if he suppresses an entire part of his identity to appease bigots”
he’ll be alright if he’s just not himself.
Cool cool fr
he’ll be alright if he doesn’t make a big fuss about being gay
And you see the problem with what you said, right?
Idiot
Just goes to show pro athletes should not get involved with causes like this.
Loads of players have gone to Saudi and Henderson takes as much flack as the rest of them put together.
If he keeps his mouth shut and doesn’t get involved with LBGT causes he would have been just another player getting a massive end of career payday.
His interview just made matters worse. He’s a dumb, deluded egocentric.
Horrible take. Surely the conclusion should be that when athletes get involved in social causes, they shouldn’t completely betray them. It’s not that hard an ask.
It’s the same thing as the person above said.
FR. It’s good that they want to stand for things and use their platform for good if that feels right for them.
Obviously then people want you to stick to it if not it looks like all they were doing is virtue signalling / PR image curation.
Not only is Jake Daniels gay but he’s also poor. Offer 350k net per week and you would have more allies Jake, duh.
/s, obviously
Not everybody agrees with homosexuality. It’s a choice. It was still illegal over a century ago.
go fuck yourself
Straight, mate. Don’t do same sex shite.
“It’s a choice”, go fuck yourself tbh, ppl have been gay all throughout history
And through out time people disagree with it and choose NIT to be gay.
“Not everybody agrees with being a woman. It’s a choice. It was still illegal for them to vote in the UK over a century ago.”
“It’s a choice” lmao yeah right
Tbf I can’t really hate Henderson because at the end. The way the world is going, money has become more important than values for many. But I don’t really get people who defend him as well. It’s okay that he chose money but it doesn’t remove the fact that he indeed failed the vulnerable community who believed in him. Two things can be right.
Well David Beckham was in Qatar’s backpocket for sponsoring tourism-- even with their egregious human right record. Sporting figures are not acting out of altruism or causes, they are like any other professional whose talent lies in playing football and getting paid a pretty penny for doing so. I’m confident that most players are apolitical (and taking the knee was probably promoted by the EPL rather than a collective action by players).
Him speaking out as a LGBTQ ally or whatever has probably done more for the ‘movement’ than him playing in Saudi has done damage to it, i really dont get why people are upset over this.
why is football being mixed with other things? I think the only problem that football should be involved is rasicm , any other politics should not be mingled with football, it’s my opinion nobody should take offence