• prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Yeah it is similar, but not the same (at least not yet).

    China is a one-party state, and the government has control over private enterprise. If you are a Chinese company, the PRC ultimately has control of it, and that means the Chinese military has access to anything you have access to, if they want it.

    This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.

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      5 hours ago

      This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.

      Snowden released the fact that the major internet companies in the US literally have full time CIA staff and locked rooms with servers

      Why is this on a different level? Is it because they’re ASIANS?

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        That Snowden releasing the facts and it being brought up in courts, state congress, and federal congress as well as national news all revolved around it being illegal in the USA.

        In the PRC it’s only illegal to talk about it.

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          That Snowden releasing the facts and it being brought up in courts, state congress, and federal congress as well as national news all revolved around it being illegal in the USA.

          Did it stop?

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            The specific program Snowden revealed supposedly ended in 2015, it collected information such as who was calling who and for how long. The 9th Circuit actually ruled it clearly illegal in 2020 and Snowden made a Tweet about it in a relatively good mood.

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        The long and short of it is even leftie Americans have internalised American exceptionalism, even if they aren’t cognisant of it. And the right are, well… Racist and don’t want to admit it.

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        One government is actively committing genocide against subsets of their population I’d say it’s a pretty big fucking difference.

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          Yeah the US genocide of black Americans needs the earn them some serious sanctions, but it’s not relevant to this discussion.

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      There are several hundred political parties in China currently in office.

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      China is a one-party state

      I wish you could realise how hilarious it is to read someone comparing the US and China on their number of political parties…

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        Oh? So you are saying that there are no functional difference between a federation of 50 states, each with individual (somewhat independent) local and state governments, and the authoritarian CCP?

        When I say “China is a one-party state,” I’m not referring to political parties as we would understand them in the US (Democrat/Republican). I am referring to the actual structure of the government.

        You might want to maybe educate yourself on what a “one-party state” means in this context before trying to make snarky comments.

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          You’re right, I’m sorry, I really should educate myself about the US beyond the 40+ years of propaganda I’ve had to endure and the absolutely constant, never ending stream of shit across all media I’m the grateful recipient of, thanks to the Internet™. But honestly, I’m kinda scared I’d actually die if I came to visit.

          Meanwhile, my experience with China over the last ten years or so has left me regularly wondering, in the grand scheme of things, what the fucking difference is. You both are absolutely insane, from where I live.

          But yes, I was totally cherry picking your message. I don’t disagree with you, to be clear. I’m just amused about your choice of epithet.

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          I’m being slightly disingenuous by focusing on one expression in the entire message, granted.
          But honestly, using “one party state” as an epiteth, like that’s what you want to focus on that’s badwrong about China? that’s amusing to me, reading this from Europe. YMMV.