• Varyk@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    Is this a “the right can’t meme” thing? Liberals are opposed to the current Russia-ukraine war and Israeli-palestine war and are currently supporting the newest civil rights movement.

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      Nah I think it’s just the same snake-in-the-grass right wing propaganda bullshit that infects every leftist space online to sow complacency and disempower us with apathy by trying to convince us that the comparative left-ish-leaning party is the same or worse than the right so as to maintain the hold on power the right has. It’s bullshit anti-leftist wolf-in-sheep’s-clothing rhetoric. Same as it always was.

      Edit: typos.

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        I don’t know OP, or the OOP, but I read this as criticizing liberals from the left which is something many leftists engage in all the time, I know I do

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          (Before I type all of this, important caveat: I am only going to be using “liberal” in the American context, meaning a milquetoast democrat. Save all of your “bUt AcTuAlLy ClAsSiCaL lIbErAlIsM” for where it’s actually fucking relevant; don’t bring that shit to me)

          Yes, but you do it mostly because you’ve been taken in by these wolves. Obviously critique and push actual leftism on liberals and Democrats, but the leftism tribalism absolutely benefits the right.

          Liberals aren’t leftists and we shouldn’t be complacent and settle for the liberal Democrat platform, but we also have to acknowledge that given the options the Democrats are absolutely the current harm-reductive choice. And importantly, unlike the fucking chudshits on the right, liberals are the demographic that can actually be reasoned with, educated, and brought into the light.

          Anyone trying to tell you associating with or attempting to convert liberals is a waste of time is somebody who is only interested in stifling leftist growth.

          You don’t have to agree with them, but conflating them with the wastes of flesh on the right is disingenuous as fuck as absolutely motivated by agenda, either intentionally or unintentionally as matter of coercion.

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      I’m guessing they mean liberal in the classical sense and not liberal in the liberal/conservative meaning of the current US political parties.

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        They’re talking about the current wars and the current civil rights movements, so that wouldn’t make sense anyway.

        “Whigs sure hate Instagram”.

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      Liberals have come down hard in uncritical support of the nazi militias in Ukraine and on the Israeli side of the Palestinian struggle for freedom. Both are the pro-war stances.

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        Liberals have been against the Russian invasion from day one, and Russia is driving that war.

        Most people have been ignorant of the Israel and Palestine conflicts until recently, and most western media glorifies the IDF because it’s a stabilizing democratic force in a notoriously anti-west region, but liberals are all upset with the current Palestinian genocide.

        There’s are liberal pro-Palestinian anti-hamas civil rights movement right now.

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          Liberals have been against the Russian invasion from day one, and Russia is driving that war.

          The Ukrainian Nazi militias (Combat 18, Azov and so on) have been terrorizing the Russians and Roma and Jews for years prior with funding from the Ukrainian ministry of interior. Which is why the Russians in Donbas rebelled. Russia then came to their aid.

          the IDF [is] a stabilizing democratic force in a notoriously anti-west region

          No, the IOF is an army enforcing Apartheid and furthering Palestinian genocide.

          Youre the exact kind of lib the meme is talking about.

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            I’m against both current wars and for the current civil rights movements, so you’re 0 for 3 there.

            By your logic, you’re the lib the meme is talking about.

            Your Russian propaganda is b*******, russia invaded and tried to annex the rest of Ukraine the same way that they annexed Crimea because Putin is a cowardly, greedy dictator.

            And you’re just agreeing with me about the IDF, so thanks, I guess.