• Dr. Wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
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      10 months ago

      Drivers shouldn’t be allowed to see the tip amount prior to delivery completion. That, or tipping shouldn’t be allowed until after completion. I hate this more recent model of tipping before receiving service. Because as you said, it’s a bid for service, not an acknowledgement of good service.

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        10 months ago

        Flip it around - why would you work a job, any job, where you don’t know your pay until after the work is done?

        “Tipping” is rich-people speak for shifting the expense (and blame) to the customer.

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          10 months ago

          They already know the pay. If the pay isn’t enough without the tip, then maybe they should consider getting a different job.

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            You realize that gig economy is the neoliberal slang for a poverty class work, but without the rights of workers, right?

            So you’re criticizing people who are forced by the system in which we live, to be ordered around by a fucking algorithm, and then take abuse from people who have enough money to NOT work in the gig economy, but no where near enough to actually own the servant class they get off on abusing.

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              10 months ago

              I agree with you completely but at the same time I have disdain for gig workers because they all seem to operate under an entirely different set of traffic laws and social conventions. At least where I live.

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              You realize that the gig economy is not my responsibility, right? I’m not criticizing the workers for being underpaid. I’m criticizing the exploiters for underpaying their workers. If you can’t pay your workers enough, that is not my fault. You are not entitled to exploit anyone for your personal gain.

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                10 months ago

                If the pay isn’t enough without the tip, then maybe they should consider getting a different job.

                I’m not criticizing the workers for being underpaid.

                Study: When questioned about continuing to work for poverty wages, gig workers across the nation respond with resounding “guess I just didn’t think about it because I’m so goddamned stupid” ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .

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            10 months ago

            The pay is about $2 per order, regardless of mileage. Dashers can typically complete 2-3 orders per hour, and pay for their own fuel. The base pay is absolutely not worth it.

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              10 months ago

              They are paid approximately $4 to $6 per hour, and yet some people are still defending the practice and asking customers to pay extra on top of the food and the $10+ delivery charge…

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                10 months ago

                Given their compensation model, all I can say is that if you are not willing to tip, and/or you are not willing to tip ahead of time, you absolutely should not use the service at all.

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    I stopped ordering from these apps because I got tired of watching the driver take my food on a tour of my city and having it arrive cold and wrong.

    The last time I went to pick up my food from a restaurant I saw a dasher standing outside a restaurant staring at his phone with food in his hand, I went inside and while I was waiting the dude came back in, dropped the food and asked for another order because the one he took wasn’t tipping.

    Fuck this system and fuck these apps, pick up your own food (if you can).

  • ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com
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    10 months ago

    It does, but the thinking here is that the dasher basically loses money taking no tip orders. Which in my Nordic mind is a fucked up business model. A living wage should be the minimum requirement.

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      10 months ago

      Look at the socialist over here guys, over here in America we let our children go without lunch if they can’t afford it. How else will they learn that they need to be a productive member of society?

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    10 months ago

    Stop using DoorDash and other delivery services. They’re a huge scam and you end up paying double for cold food that someone might have tampered with.

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      10 months ago

      This. They are predatory to their drivers, their customers, and the restaurants they almost blackmail into using them. Awful awful company.

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    The purpose of tips has gone away in the US. You are supposed to tip after the delivery for a good service. Now you have to “tip” for a good service.

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    This entire tipping thing is terrible - including for dashers themselves.

    It means dashers income heavily relies on strangers being kind enough to leave some extra.

    It means customers are gonna feel bad for not paying more than their order amount (and they probably will pay the tip)

    It means company can employ slave labor for extremely low pay and still have people willing to do this.

    Tipping benefits only one party - the companies. We need to stop it.

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    Reason I don’t use these services is the tip is expected in advance. Bring me my food hot and in a timely fashion and I’ll give you a good tip. I’m not paying you ahead of time to take too long bringing me cold food. I’d rather pick it up myself.

    • just_change_it@lemmy.world
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      Ubereats lets you set the tip after the delivery. afaik the others don’t.

      Should be illegal to prompt a tip before services are rendered, including at those POS machines that ask you up front to tip even a small amount.

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        10 months ago

        You literally always pay the wages of the people that work for companies.

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          10 months ago

          Usually it’s rolled into the price of the product or service, which clearly nobody has a problem with.

          • SCB@lemmy.world
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            10 months ago

            As is this. I have no idea why people here are convinced tipping is somehow bad for employees and good for employers

            It’s literally the same thing you just are more aware of it.

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              It’s not the same thing. Tipping is a psychological game that pits customers and servers against each other. It’s “how little can I tip before they tamper with my food” versus “how indebted can I make them feel before they reject it and leave without tipping”

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                10 months ago

                It’s “how little can I tip before they tamper with my food”

                Normal people never, ever think this.

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                  I didn’t realize you’re the spokesperson for all normies, what an honor. Really though, it is a common sentiment, especially with pre-tipping. When they flip around that iPad and glare at you, there is definitely a sense that the probability of them spitting in your food is not 0% if you hit the no tip button.

                  Baristas post on their social media about giving non-tippers decaf all the time. If that’s what they are willing to share publicly to the entire world, imagine what people are willing to do secretly.

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    I’m a dasher. Yes, drivers do get tips, and our livelihoods depend on people tipping. Yes, you should tip, yes, you’re just being cheap if you don’t. Yes, it is bullshit that doordash doesn’t pay us more, yes, tipping culture is bullshit. But you still eat out at your favorite greasy spoon knowing full well the staff depends on tips to pay their rent so you tip them.

    If you don’t want to tip, get off your ass and get the food yourself. We’re dying out there and don’t need a hundred 15-mile-0-tip deliveries declined a day dragging down our acceptance rates. Just treat us like fucking humans, ffs. Please. Tip. Your. Drivers.

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      10 months ago

      It’s your employer who doesn’t treat you like humans. Stop blaming the customers for it.

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        Their employer is treating them like a tipped employee, which is so embedded into society’s fabric that we have a separate tax code for it.

        You not liking that is not any different from you liking a given law. You’re free to not participate, but expect there to be consequences, and one of those is for people to assume you’re intentionally being an asshole, not protesting a perceived injustice.

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      Not sure about a decrease, but you can easily get it fully refunded if they fuck up. I tip really well because I used to be a food courier myself. Every few months some idiot delivers my pizza upside down or leaves my order outside my building and I get my tip refunded with ease. I have no idea if that money is refunded from the dasher’s pay though.

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    What I do:

    $0 tip

    In the special instructions: “Ring doorbell for cash tip. Do not just leave at door”.

    Traffic in my area is awful so I always tip $20 no matter the order. Sometimes that comes to almost an 80% tip but a) I know it goes to the driver, b) I don’t have to drive in that shitshow, and c) I reward a driver for actually reading the special instructions.

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      Dashers can see what you tip on the app on average and nobody will pick up your order unless it’s extremely convenient for them. They don’t see the instructions until they pick up the order.

      • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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        Yep. It is another reason I overtip in cash. If this person is desperate enough to grab a “no tip” order, they probably need the $20 tip on a $36 order more than most.

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      Yeah and all 100 of the orders I’ve delivered who made the same promise ended with no tip. That’s bait. I don’t bite hooks.

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        10 months ago

        Don’t you have to accept the order before you can read the special instructions?