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Isaiah 43:4 “Because you are precious in my eyes, and honored, and I love you, I give men in return for you, peoples in exchange for your life.” from: Random Bible Verse Generator
This verse expresses God’s profound love and esteem for His people. He considers them precious and honored, willing to make significant sacrifices on their behalf. This serves as a reminder to believers of their immeasurable value in God’s eyes and encourages them to respond with gratitude and trust in His love.
I was actually asked to leave my parents church because I was loudly arguing with the guy running a gift shop that if I were to follow Jesus, I should be flipping these tables, chasing them with whips, and damming them for turning gods house into a place of business occupied by thieves.
I guess they DON’T like considering what Jesus would do.
Gift shop… In a church… The Bars so low it’s cracking the pavement.
So, the question I have, is where do the proceeds go, and how much is that guy making off it?
If the money for the merch goes to, say, feeding the homeless or even just the church’s general budget, I see it as a fundraiser, and not particularly offensive.
If the dude is pocketing the profits…. Yeah, fuck that dude.
The person at the desk is almost certainly a brainwashed unpaid volunteer. The owner, on the other hand…
They’d just take this as evidence of institutionalized persecution against Christians
I used https://randombible.org/ but it seems like the bible is just a series of random stories that make no sense.
How wild would it be if you actually met an all-powerful entity who created the entire universe. You ask it for some knowledge, and it tells you about the time it got mad at a tree for not producing figs
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+11%3A12-25&version=NIV
IT WASN’T EVEN FIG SEASON, JESUS!
So, there is at least one point that makes this make sense and maybe a second if I am reading it correctly. Would you care to hear it out? Or would you not be interested in hearing more? (Hopefully I remember to check back here. I have 0 clue what not-google google has to say about this tbh)
Nah not if it’s gonna be some tenuous metaphor, but thanks for asking instead of trying to convert people in the atheism community!
Isn’t the old testament more hardcore than the new one ? Jewish roulette would seem more risky than christian roulette
I mean, obviously Jesus would get arrested by modern “christians” for being a “leftist hippie commie”
Seeing as they claim Jesus amd Yahweh are one in the same you can’t just ignore the OT. All the condoning slavery, taking child sacrifice as payment, stoning women who don’t bleed on their wedding night… that is all part of the Christian god.
The OT is in the Christian Bible because they can’t ignore it, and shouldn’t ignore it. But that doesn’t mean following.
An eye for an eye is incompatible with turning the other cheek.
Slavery is entirely a human creation, neither the Bible nor the Torah tells believers to enslave other people but what is says, all from the OT to the NT, is “give to Caesar what’s his and give to God what’s His”, I know it sucks but it’s not that different from Stoic teachings, that’s why Catholics (and other Christians) belief that suffering makes them closer to God.
Edit.
There is a huge debate in Christendom about the meaning of “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Some believe the OT rules stand, some believe that they don’t. Catholics are taught the OT like kids learn history in school.
There is an entire set of laws on how to properly own and beat one’s slaves so your comment is just flat out wrong and sounds like it’s from some bad excusegist.
If you study the actual language and historical context then most of the OT was supposed to be followed by Christians. The issue came later debating between the two churches decades after Jesus’ death.
Amd the eye for an eye vs turn your cheek are about two very different things and are very much compatible.
Sadly most Catholics are taught from an apologetic point of view rather than a historical literary understanding. Poor translations a d church doctrine causes many important parts to be grossly bastardized.
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Matthew 5:18
Whaaaaaaaa…?? “A human creation?” You can’t have it both ways. Either the Bible is the word of God, or it’s ALL “a human creation”. But allowing for the sake of discussion that God exists, etc, the NT endorses slavery, discusses how to practice it morally, and says nothing to oppose it. The Christian god thinks it’s okay for humans to own humans, according to both the OT and the NT; no different than owning a house or livestock.
What? God gave humans free will. God didn’t made slavery, didn’t made money, or democracy, didn’t made wars. Basically He created the world as it was during paradise and the rest is our creation.
Although I would argue Angels are like slaves but that’s not exactly the point of this and at least one rebelled so I don’t know to what point they are or were slaves.
You’re heading towards the problem of evil and determinism. Those topics are way to big for a casual post like this and have been argued for and against for a very long time. I don’t this you’ll be able to convince anyone of anything here.
