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I agree with the principles of what you’re saying, groupthink is certainly bad, but usually people align with other people with underlying foundational values and beliefs. Ie, people tend to support gay rights if they also support trans rights, because they stem from similar areas of prejudice. Intersectionality and all that.
Usually, the truly unique perspectives are for often contradictory views, like being an Anarchist Capitalist, though even then there are still groups of people who think similarly.
I agree with the principles of what you’re saying, groupthink is certainly bad, but usually people align with other people with underlying foundational values and beliefs. Ie, people tend to support gay rights if they also support trans rights, because they stem from similar areas of prejudice.
But the foundational values vary from culture to culture. My country has a lot of people who are socially conservative, but not that many who support free-market economics. In your own example, we have a long tradition of transgender people, and they have laws protecting them from discrimination. On the other hand, homosexuality was a legal grey area until a few years ago, and their marriages are still not recognised by the law. Iran is an even more extreme example here, with gender reassignment surgery being state-subsidised, but homosexuality still illegal.
So I wonder to what extent political positions are universal, and to what extent they are an accident of history.
Culture plays a huge part in what is normative, yes, but actual positions tend to support other positions by proxy, like a web.
Essentially, it’s understandable that a Socialist would also support FOSS development, as FOSS also rejects private ownership and the profit motive. However, it’s less understandable that a huge supporter of the profit motive would love FOSS as much. They can reason that people should have the choice, but it breaks down just a bit.
The current government in my country is definitely right of centre, and are pushing for Linux adoption, largely on a ‘we should not be dependent on foreign companies for the software we use’ plank. Although, to be fair, Linux was able to get a foothold in the first place because a communist state government tried using it in the 2000s. They succeeded, leading other states and the union government to follow suit.
Yep, you can advocate for leftist principles or leftist originated things as a right-winger, it just takes a large amount of justification in order to do so.
Centrism is just political talk for “i dont interact enough with society to see anything wrong with it”.
Damn leftists, they ruined the left.
I don’t like them and they creep me out but Thought Slime was right about this one
Hell, Thought Slime is a perfect example of this! They annoy the SHIT out of me and I still refuse to join the right wing.
Fuck the right wing fuckers, and fuck you!
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Yes! SEPARATELY.
Don’t believe that. It’s just an excuse to avoid saying the real reasons, the ones they know are not cool.
I dunno, the only other leftists that annoy me are browbeat merchants like Thought Slime.
Crabs in a bucket, the tweet
https://youtu.be/bsFzc0wAtFs?t=211
Completely accurate representation of Progressive politics.
It’s the comma splices that get me.
Loathing your own (and probably yourself) isn’t the W you think it is
You’re right, from now on I will agree with things I hear from anyone without being critical.
Hate immigrants, hey, me too. Hate taxes, hey me too. Hate brown people, hey me too. Capitalism is flawless, hey I think so too. Harming minorities is fine, hey I think so too. Heil Hitler, Heill Hitler.
Strange, how did I get here?
Good false dichotomy, really shows that you assume there’s only agreeing and disagreeing with other people and grounding your principles and axioms isn’t a thing.
Slow down there buddy. My post was sarcastically worded thought experiment. You can’t derive my assumptions from that alone. My intent was to show that not grounding things and being uncritical will have bad outcomes, do you disagree? Yes, leftists take an L because our discourse is painful, but the alterative is worse in my opinion.
I think you can agree and disagree with individual statements, people are, for the most part, to complex to put into a box. I also think grounding is important.
Yeah, your experiment kinda sucked. The thing is, lefties can’t just agree to disagree and still collaborate or even just move on with their lives. It has to be harsh disagreement over the most miniscule points and “reading theory” mostly involves doomscrolling Twitter
I agree that politicaly most leftist are aligned at the first handful of steps that should be taken and that sometimes the infighting can get in the way. If this is what you meant by your original post I would agree with you, but your original post lacked the specificity.
Yeah, your experiment kinda sucked.
Any reason in particular or are you just maulding?
First of all it’s malding and second, good try with the usual tactics of crying “are you mad? are you mad? are you mad?" when receiving the slightest push back on anything.
Other than the fact that your so called" thought experiment" was kinda gay to begin with, it lacks any understanding of how actual people come to any of their political opinions. Example: I sincerely do love capitalism. It is a great system that lifts people out of abject poverty and it’s major downsides are mostly addressed in liberal democracies. The reason I believe that is that I understand how capitalism succeeded and socialism failed over and over again whenever it was tried.
Okay so the only thing of value I got out of your post above was that capitalism isn’t bad. A perfectly normal thing for somebody to do when they’re not mad is write a bunch of ad homs with one point. But that is besides the point.
About the capitalism thing. I never said it was bad. In fact, I think capitalism has been good for humanity. But we are fast approaching a time where it will do more harm than good.
All I was implying was that capitalism isn’t flawless. And the people who think it is are idiots.
As a leftist, I can relate. Thought Slime annoys me sometimes.
Thought slime has some mixed-quality takes, but is, above all else a wokescold crybully, making them incredibly toxic and counter-productive.
I only watch their youtube videos and don’t really get that vibe from them. Am I missing some drama context or could you elaborate what makes them so bad?
I haven’t watched their content in a couple of years now, but there was a series of bad takes on Twitter, a hell of a lot of cringe, toxicity, self-centeredness, and performative self-victimisation, The main drama I saw was with Xanderhall and Vaush. On the other side of it, they’ve done a string of collaborations with varying levels of success.
Their videos were generally OK, if a little basic with some flawed analysis. They chose some interesting subjects, but their content took a meaningful dip not long after they came out as NB (I hope I don’t have that wrong?). Hopefully the dip was just a short-term product of some of the stress and distraction, but their content wasn’t strong enough to get me through it and I checked out.
If you like the content, you like it, and there’s nothing wrong with that - it’s not horrible, I just thought it stopped being worth watching (though hope that’s changed).
When “leftists” start using the same dialogue as fascists because they think it will give them a sense of power then no wonder I am gonna hate them.
Past that, it’s how far down the line is progressive thought still beneficial and when does it become just a deep seated illogical belief in fiction? When is it no longer beneficial to the current arguments being had. And how do you avoid telling those people to shut the hell up and get back to us when the fire isn’t raging so hot.
But then they get upset about being dismissed and then back to deep-seated conservative spiteful behavior. Ugh. Humans are such a mess.
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Yeah. I recently had a leftist say they weren’t willing to work with the “Demo-kkk-rats” and that I wasn’t a leftist for not agreeing with them.
They consider themselves the face of a leftist community and actively push literal right wing propaganda terms. So yeah I’m feeling a bit relatable to the picture.
