Oof I think this service is only worth it if you have a family plan and everyone helping. That is how I personally make it reasonable in terms of pricing.
I’m in the UK and it’s already too expensive imo.
Would be great if I could just pay for no ads YT without YT music.
In fairness, the amount of YT that I watch on TV/iPhone makes it worth the cost, but any increases and I’ll probably just cancel and watch less YT, which isn’t a bad thing.
Or maybe just look at getting one of those Turkish subscriptions for like £2/month
I would subscribe in a heartbeat if I could get a cheaper subscription without youtube music.
Yeah, it’s just absolutely useless for me.
I’ve got a decent Sonos setup and use Tidal because the quality on YT music makes everything sound meh.
Indian family plan is £2 a month for 6 people.
In fairness, the amount of YT that I watch on TV/iPhone makes it worth the cost
Yeah, my take was “the good I get out of YouTube is worth that, so if I’m in a situation where I need to pay that, I’d pay it”.
For me what I don’t like is that I haven’t seen anything about Google not using it to profile me. If I get an account with Google, pay them, then they have not just the usage data, but it linked to financial data, which makes it a lot easier for them to build a profile. And that I don’t want.
Google provides some good services, and they are services that I’d be willing to pay for, but I don’t want to be paying the bill and having Google building a profile on me. Maybe some people don’t care about that, but I do.
Hell, even if Google were to say “we won’t profile you”, I’d have no way of knowing that they wouldn’t change their policy in the future.
Any video service builds a profile of you based on viewing habits.
Wow! It was hardly worth it to begin with.
I can somewhat understand Hulu and Netflix raising prices because of video content licensing but Youtube Premium? Fucking stupid as hell.
YouTube has also been increasing its ads for free.
Youtube Vanced on my devices, Piped on my computers. gg saved you 13.99 a month
I only use revanced because I consider picture in picture and playback with screen off a basic feature, and removing it to monetize inherently immoral.
The fact it comes with everything else is bonuses. I’d pay for those bonuses, but I won’t if they try to cheat me beforehand.
The regular YouTube app won’t even do PIP on iOS even with the premium subscription; it’s ridiculous.
NewPipe is also a good alternative if you want to cut Google off your data, it doesn’t use accounts and instead subscriptions are kept locally on the device.
I don’t comment at all, so NewPipe gets most of the functionaloty I would ever want from YouTube. Plus, it also helps by not having personalized reccomendations to keep me stuck watching it.
And SmartTube for TV
I use
yt-dlpto pull down YouTube videos, and have ad blockers on my web browser (I didn’t actually realize that YouTube even had ads until what was apparently years until after they’d rolled out, was stunned when I used someone else’s computer).However, I would assume that if a significant chunk of people go that way and YouTube decides that they’re losing out on sufficient and/or profiling data doing this, that they’re going to start blocking those. I would guess that they can make life unworkably difficult for any third-party clients connecting to their service if they put their minds to it.
YouTube probably doesn’t care about SponsorBlock, because they aren’t getting a piece of that money. Heck, they probably benefit if it encourages advertisers to go through YouTube rather than content creators on YouTube. But the profiling and the YouTube-displayed ads are probably something that they are going to care about, if push comes to shove and the impact on their bottom line is large enough.
And one more point – I can believe that the Threadiverse could potentially displace Reddit. Usenet was distributed and was once the norm for Internet forums, and something like that could be the situation again.
But the bandwidth costs of videos are a lot higher than the bandwidth costs of forum text. I am not convinced that PeerTube or something like that will necessarily work at the scale of replacing YouTube. At the least, it’s going to be a rather larger chunk of money that has to come from somewhere than is the situation with forums. Someone is going to have to be writing checks, at the end of the day. Maybe it doesn’t have to be via watching ads or users getting profiled, but the money’s gotta be coming out of someone’s pocket.
YouTube also has some of its content creators putting material up to be paid. Reddit doesn’t – well, didn’t, as it looks like now they’re exploring that – have that commercial model, where they try to pay people who create content. For YouTube content where the creator is doing it with the aim of generating income, any hypothetical YouTube replacement would need to generate money to cover not just bandwidth costs, but also paying content creators.
Has Vanced been working for you? Mine has been breaking quite a bit recently (as in, videos will stop loading after only about 30 seconds)
I switched to revanced and overall it’s been great. Occasionally I’ll get ads in the main YouTube dev but never mid roll or pre roll ads which are arguably the most annoying ones
I do believe there is a fix for that, iirc you have to enable ‘Spoof App Signature’ under Settings > ReVanced > Misc.
I think that’s how I fixed it, but if not there are discussions on how to fix this issue over at the ReVanced subreddit.
Yeah, there’s no reason to pay for Premium unless you have an iPhone (and hopefully even that will change once the EU drags Apple kicking and screaming away from their App Store monopoly.)
Gripping tight onto my initial grandfathered price from Google play music. $8
How? I had the same plan and got an email saying they wouldn’t honor the grandfathered plan and I was still being upped. I think they gave me an extra month or two at the lower rate and that was it.
No clue but never received an email. I’m a day 1 subscriber though.
Yeah. I’ve still got my $10 a month price for YouTube Red.
Objectively, Youtube Premium is the one streaming service that I actually use… with youtube dlp because actually I can’t stand the interface at all anymore; but even so, I use it and I feel ok about paying for it.
Why do you have a subscription and use YouTube dlp, doesn’t that just download the video whether you have a subscription or not?
What is the point of Youtube Premium anyway?
It means the creators I enjoy actually get paid, whereas with adblock they don’t get any ad revenue.
The creators will see jack shit of that price increase. It’s all going into exec’s pockets. The smart ones all have Patreon or other ways of monetising their content anyway.
Sorry, I don’t see what this has to do with my comment? I was answering the question “What is the point of Youtube Premium anyway?” and said nothing about the price increase.
You may be surprised to hear that the revenue split on Premium is the same as the split on Ads: 55% of all Premium money goes directly to creators on a member viewership basis. Alphabet increasing the price of Premium does increase the money going to Youtube corporate, but the revenue structure is fundamentally designed so that creators also receive an equal raise.
I can skip the middleman and pay the creators via Patreon or whatever, no?
Block ads without having to use an AdBlocker, but like who doesn’t use an AdBlocker these days
On mobile it allows you to continue playing videos when you close the app
And a recent addition they’ve added to it for mobile is the ability to fucking queue videos
but like who doesn’t use an AdBlocker these days
Hard to do from a game console or Chromecast, which happen to be the two methods I use most often for watching YouTube.
If you got an apple device safari is fantastic when it comes to just air playing YouTube videos without ads. Sponsorblock extension works too and skips them. No messing around with third party apps installs.
Although, I’m not sure if consoles or chrome cast have airplay support.
On my Chromecast, I use this wonderful app: SmartTube
If you use the older Chromecast dongle that doesn’t have android TV and no remote (the circular ones) you should be able to use castblock to auto mute ads and automatically press the skip button as soon as it shows up. It also has sponsorblock support so it will auto skip sponsor segments too. You just have to run the program on the same network with flags specifying you want it to mute ads, skip ads, and give it the list of sponsorblock segment types to skip and it’ll auto detect any Chromecasts and do it’s auto skipping and muting magic
Yeah, Adblocker is part of internet security. Just using a regular search engine these days can be risky with the sponsored links that can lead to people going to the wrong site.
I’ve had premium for so long now that I forget youtube has ads and when my friends try and play anything I am shocked at how shitty the experience is.
No ads on devices where you can’t block ads (like WebOS or Tizen TVs), and cba to circumvent it with newpipe on android stick or something
Also youtube music for some people I guess
I don’t know if new plans still come with YouTube music but mine does. That plus ad free YouTube on device.
You can download videos with it, which is quite useful for train rides or flights.
I’ve been sailing the last few years so far out, I can’t see the land anymore. And kinda don’t care about land anymore…
You mean to tell me there is actual land? I thought we were in Waterworld?
Ah, we have Waterworld. In HD. Ya… there is an island still, we call it Spotify on our boat. We couldn’t do without our shanties… But we do have an sea cave ready tho, when those Privateers become greedy.
Nebula has a lot of the better YT content and costs much less than that.
youtube-dlp is the solution!
yt-dlp. Just “yt” rather than “youtube”.youtube-dlis an ancestor program ofyt-dlp.
Huh? The ad revenue it replaces can’t be more than $1/month.
Definitely wasn’t worth it before and now they want to increase prices? Yikes. Guess I’ll keep using revanced forever then
It’s not bad with pixel pass.
I wish I didn’t have to pay for premium, but we’re all iOS users and we use Smart TVs and Chromcasts to cast and I’m not sure how to block ads on those (not Android TV, Samsung TVs).
If there’s a way to block ads there I’d love to know. I can’t really use AltStore either, I’ve tied it in the past and I don’t always have the means to refresh every 7 days.
Yeah… not much you can do beyond DNS-based blocking for most dumb SmartTV OSes and obviously sideloading iOS apps sucks if you’re not jailbroken. Cases like these are really where they get you!
Regarding Chromecasts, just in case anyone’s interested: they’re still Android under the hood, so you can simply send the Revanced Manager APK via Send files to TV and proceed as usual. FYI: you need to enable developer mode (see step 3, specfically) to install custom APKs – this won’t impact your warranty.
I think the best solution right now for older Chromecast (ones without a dedicated remote) is running castblock on a raspberry pi or something else attached to your network. It doesn’t block ads but it can automatically mute the chromecast volume when ads are playing, as well as automatically hit the skip button when it shows up (maybe like 5% of the time it misses both but still better than nothing). It also looks up sponsor segments from sponsorblock and detects when a sponsor is about to play and can skip those too. It auto detects all Chromecast on the network so all you have to do is run the program with the flags for what features you want enabled / what sponsorblock segments it should skip.
If you have a Chromecast with Google TV (with like a remote control and apps) I’ve heard smarttube-next is a good alternative app with ad blocking.
I’m not sure what works with TVs that have Chromecast built in, might also be smarttube-next. I only have the Chromecast ultra and the older standard Chromecast and castblock works great running on my pihole box
But I think they will cut access without ads soon enough, and I do agree someone needs to pay for the service.
My problem is quality of the platform went down with higer quality of production. Those with better production are doing better than those with quality content. Additionally it started looking like TV network with dozen big shows, and not enough random content. Ex. they always recommend me videos with 1M+ views, even thou a I want only ones with less than 100k.
I have been dusting of my podcast players for some time. I like to have a video, but looks like price is too high for me. Audio will be good.
Pi hole does not work for YouTube (or Twitch or many others). It doesn’t work for services who distribute ads from their own servers.
If you had Android instead of iOS you may have been able to use an ad-free youtube client and cast to TV, but if you’re streaming on the TV, or from iOS, I don’t know how you’d go about blocking ads.
Right. I’ve done my research before and I do have a Pi hole setup on my Linux server. I used Vanced back when I was on Android but I had to switch to iOS for work and stayed on it since.
It sucks because I’d much rather not pay for YouTube at all, but we share the family plan since we’re all on iOS…
Doesn’t it let YouTube ads go through? Because they use the same domains for videos and ads? AFAIK Pi Hole can’t block YT ads right?
Correct.
This shit should be included with YouTube premium
