• Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
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    1 year ago

    For example, recently it took Russia three months to completely capture Mariupol despite a willingness to inflict civilian casualties and disregard international opinion. Israel is much more constrained in both ways.

    Israel has killed roughly as many civilians in the last month as were killed in Ukraine throughout the entire conflict. It’s preposterous to say Israel is more restrained in causing civilian casualties.

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        1 year ago

        The UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights puts the number at 9,701 confirmed, though they do admittedly believe the true number is likely to be much higher. The Prosecutor General of Ukraine puts the confirmed number at 10,749, though they also think the real number is higher.

        Regardless of whether a single month of Israel’s war is roughly equal or only a third of the total casualties for a 21-month long invasion, once you started arguing that ~10,000 dead in a month is “restrained” you really should have considered how you got to that point.

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          It’s a relative valuation; restraint means the numbers could have been much higher, but aren’t. There are a lot of tactics Israel is capable of using and didn’t. They notify people before strikes. They demarcate which zones need to be evacuated. They are attacking military targets and not civilians. Restraint.

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            They “demarcated” all of northern Gaza. And then they bombed the south too. There are no warnings happening. And their “military” targets claim is trash. They didn’t know the invasion was happening and clearly don’t know where Hamas are. They’ve been destroying single homes of journalists, blowing up ambulances evacuating patients from hospitals they’re also threatening to bomb. There’s no reason at all to trust Israel when they claim every single building they destroy was housing Hamas.

            That they haven’t simply razed every square inch of Gaza to the ground (or fucking nuked it like one minister suggested) doesn’t make it “restrained”.