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Is the Fairphone 5 just a repeat of a proven formula or a real improvement compared to its predecessors?

While they were happy with what the fairphone 4 brought to the table, they seem to like what was changed for the fairphone 5.
What are you guys’ opinions on this? A welcome change? would you get one if your phone died within the next year?

      • stealth_cookies@lemmy.caEnglish
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        1 year ago

        Yes, the 3.5mm jack is more durable than USB-C (since it is rotationally symmetric twisting doesn’t apply force to the connector), it maintains compatibility with billions of audio devices and doesn’t block your charging port if you use it.

      • Vardøgor@mander.xyzEnglish
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        1 year ago

        my issue right now is that i use one of those charging + 3.5mm splitters in the car, but when they’re both connected there’s a loud ass buzz. a 3.5mm ground loop isolator works but made bass sound terrible. i’m probably gonna get an old phone just for music in the car 🤦🏽‍♂️

        • jasondj@ttrpg.networkEnglish
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          1 year ago

          Just get a new car pleb.

          Honestly Bluetooth in a car has been a must for me for like 10 years now. And having experienced CarPlay, that’s def next (especially for cars that support wireless and have a Qi spot. Thats practically magic)

          • Vardøgor@mander.xyzEnglish
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            1 year ago

            i like my car :( and i’m paranoid about features in new cars. i can hear a noticeable difference in quality with bluetooth vs wired too. never been a fan

            regardless, cars that people primarily use 3.5mm for aren’t going away too soon!

    • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      1 year ago

      As well as a 5.25" floppy disc drive and betamax, you call that a phone?!? No thank you, I’ll stick with my x-phone https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nezImUP0w

      People complaining about 3.5mm jacks remind of the people who complained about how the iMac G3 didn’t have a 3.5" floppy drive. At first yeah it was weird to leave it out, but it’s been 9 years since the first smartphone launched without a 3.5mm jack (the OPPO R5 in 2014).

      If you want ancient tech then your options will be limited.

      • ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 year ago

        you do know that you could have made your point in a nicer manner, yes? why would we want to bring the strenuous tones of hollow outrage from reddit to here?

        we are all better than that, even the big danish guys.

        • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          1 year ago

          I’m sorry, but I had to say something. I’m so tired of non-technical people moaning about the out phasing of the 3.5mm jack, and especially the arguments about audio quality and vendor lock in that has been raised in this thread. I had to make sure that it was understood, that the view is not unopposed.

          Could I have done it more diplomatically? Maybe, but I also wanted to drive my point home in as short a post as possible.

          I asked chatgpt to help out rewriting my comment, but with your criticism in mind. It came up with:

          While 3.5mm jacks may seem like a staple, it’s worth noting that technology evolves. Much like the transition from 3.5" floppy drives, change takes time to be widely accepted. The omission of the jack in smartphones isn’t about dismissing tradition but adapting to newer, more versatile alternatives. It’s been nearly a decade since the OPPO R5, and as technology progresses, embracing these changes can lead to a broader range of innovative features.

          I don’t want to bore people to death, but I can also see now how perhaps I could have attacked the technology instead of the people.

          We are better than our old /u/ on reddit, and we must strive to keep it that way. Competing with reddit on toxicity, will be a fight we’ll never be able to win.

          Thank you for calling me out on my BS, and helping us all to keep the fediverse a better place.

          • potustheplant@feddit.nlEnglish
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            1 year ago

            Being an electronic engineer and a programmer I would categorize myself as a “technical person”. I am also a person that prefers devices that are as reliable an repairable as possible. A headphone without a battery and with a replaceable cable can last you literally decades. A TWS one, will not.

            To add to that, using a dongle means a separate device that can break (and is most likely not repairable), that isn’t necessarily compatible with anything you plug it in to, that has a dac (which is redundant since your phone could use the internal one if you had a 3.5mm connector) and that will cause extra battery drain (regardless of how much more, it’s more than 0).

            There are literally 0 benefits to removing the headphone jack. Several people have even shown that devices that “don’t have enough space” for it can be modded to add the 3.5mm jack and you don’t even lose any functionality.

            Removing the headphone jack is a step backwards.

            • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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              1 year ago

              My own background is in embedded electronics too. Whether there is a benefit in removing the jack or not has not been part of my arguments.

              Some people will say that the jack needs to go for waterproofing, but I distinctly remember owning a Sony Xperia M4 which had both a jack and an IP68 rating.

              I’m also not saying that your arguments aren’t valid, I just value different aspects… Except for the part about an external DAC being redundant. An external DAC, with RCA or XLR connectors, some proper cable can potentially give you a better result than the internal DAC and the 3.5mm jack. Emphasis on the “potential” part.

              I haven’t used wired headphones on a regular basis, since that Xperia in 2015ish, and I don’t miss untangling the wires, or fixing a broken socket where the solder is cracked, the pins are broken inside the plastic housing of the socket, or clearing a socket of a broken male jack.

              IMO the 3.5mm jack is a poor connector. It breaks too easily, dust in the socket leads to static and to be quite honest if I can tell a difference in sound quality, it’s my BT headphones that comes out on top.

              As long as there’s a demand for 3.5mm jacks in phones they’ll still be marketed. But if people could stop pointing out that another overpriced smartphone lacks the jack, it would just be swell. Just buy a more modestly priced phone instead of forking over +700€ for a frigging phone.

              • potustheplant@feddit.nlEnglish
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                1 year ago

                I currently have a Sony Xperia 5V. It has an IP68 rating, it’s basically a flagship phone and it has a headphone jack. Manufacturers don’t include the jack because they don’t want to but it’s 100% possible.

                An external DAC, with RCA or XLR connectors, some proper cable can potentially give you a better result than the internal DAC and the 3.5mm jack.

                Sorry, but that bit about the external dac is pretty dumb. We’re talking about using a mobile phone and you’re talking xlr and rca? Really?

                I don’t miss untangling the wires,

                Maybe use a case? I usually have a small roud case for my IEMs that barely takes up space. You’re already carrying a case for tws so I don’t see why it would be a problem.

                or fixing a broken socket where the solder is cracked,

                At least you can fix it. If the battery on a wireless IEM dies, 9 times out of 10 you can’t fix it and need to get a new one.

                the pins are broken inside the plastic housing of the socket,

                Maybe don’t use shitty jacks?

                or clearing a socket of a broken male jack.

                Don’t know how or where you use your phone but that literally never happened to me. Honestly, none of the issues you mentioned have been a problem for me. Maybe take better care of your stuff?

                And regarding people pointing out the lack of a basic feature. Yeah, no. If a company makes shitty products, I’ll keep pointing it out. Also, there are fewer and fewer phones with a headphone jack every year. Cheap and expensive. So no, price has nothing to dp with this.

                • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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                  1 year ago

                  Sorry, but that bit about the external dac is pretty dumb. We’re talking about using a mobile phone and you’re talking xlr and rca? Really?

                  mama always stupid is as stupid does

                  I’ve read at least once in this thread an argument, that 3.5mm jack is superior to BT or USB-C, on account of the audio quality. If you’re using your phone for playback in a setup where you can tell the difference, then an external DAC, with proper connectors, is warranted.

                  Maybe use a case? I usually have a small roud case for my IEMs that barely takes up space.

                  How about wireless instead? They can be more discreet, and you don’t always have to care about stowing then away. There’s a bit of a difference between rolling the wire(s) up or just plopping the individual TWS in a case, where orientation is handled by a magnet.

                  Maybe don’t use shitty jacks?

                  Nothing to do with the jack. I’m talking about the pins coming from the circular part of the socket and going to the PCB. I’ve seen them break inside the socket housing, where you can’t get to them. Leaving you with the options of either

                  • sourcing a drop in replacement socket, which is time consuming and some of the time futile, or
                  • plugging in some headphones, fire up the device and start playing some sound, then manipulate the socket while listening to the audio and when you get both left and right working, then securing the position with ad much epoxy as you can get away with. Elsewhere in this thread I’ve mentioned cowboy ways of electronics repair, this is some of what I meant.

                  If you want to avoid this issue, then you need to evaluate the socket in the device as part of your purchasing considerations. But most stores don’t like it when you take their stuff apart. Instruct your users (in my case friends and family) to be really careful OR just use wireless.

                  Don’t know how or where you use your phone but that literally never happened to me. Honestly, none of the issues you mentioned have been a problem for me. Maybe take better care of your stuff?

                  Or, and bear with me here, I’ll keep using my devices how I want, as I’ve found a perfectly good strategy for not breaking a 3.5mm male jack in the socket? Most of the times I have had to deal with this issue in this millennium, I haven’t even been the culprit.

                  Yeah, no. If a company makes shitty products, I’ll keep pointing it out.

                  And I’ll keep telling you that nobody really cares, most of your arguments are moot, and your opinion is not that of the vast majority.

                  Also, there are fewer and fewer phones with a headphone jack every year.

                  I wonder how that could be /s

                  Cheap and expensive. So no, price has nothing to dp with this.

                  It started with flagships IIRC, sure it may have trickled down into other segments.

                  • potustheplant@feddit.nlEnglish
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                    1 year ago

                    I’ve read at least once in this thread an argument, that 3.5mm jack is superior to BT or USB-C, on account of the audio quality. If you’re using your phone for playback in a setup where you can tell the difference, then an external DAC, with proper connectors, is warranted.

                    First of all, I didn’t say that but it is true. Bluetooh is not just technically inferior, it also has severe limitations in bidirectional communications such as phone calls. Which you know, you tend to have when you’re usign a mobile phone.

                    However, the real difference comes when you compare the headphones themselves. Something like a Moondrop Aria or a Truthear Hexa is under 80USD and will be significantly better than a wireless IEM that costs the same. You can even go down to 30/40USD and still fine good products.

                    They can be more discreet, and you don’t always have to care about stowing then away. There’s a bit of a difference between rolling the wire(s) up or just plopping the individual TWS in a case, where orientation is handled by a magnet.

                    You need the IEMs to be “discreet”? What? hahaha that’s a first. Also, rolling up the wire takes a few seconds. None of this is an issue.

                    Nothing to do with the jack. I’m talking about the pins coming from the circular part of the socket and going to the PCB. I’ve seen them break inside the socket housing, where you can’t get to them.

                    Then don’t buy crappy devices? I don’t know dude. I have audio gear more than 40 years old and I’ve literally never had this issue.

                    And I’ll keep telling you that nobody really cares, most of your arguments are moot, and your opinion is not that of the vast majority.

                    Ah but you keep the conversation going and that’s what matters my friend. Also, who cares if my opinion is “in the vast majority” or not? Do you only share your views if you know other people agree? That’s dumb.

                    I wonder how that could be /s

                    Yeah, uninformed consumers and increased profit margins will do that to the market. Go figure.

            • Mango@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              1 year ago

              AND it’s on purpose. It’s to make you switch from your good headphones that work with any analog output to shit that requires their specifications and can be remotely fucked with so you gotta keep buying.

              • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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                1 year ago

                AND it’s on purpose. It’s to make you switch from your good headphones that work with any analog output to shit that requires their specifications and can be remotely fucked with so you gotta keep buying.

                [Citation needed]