No blame here! I’m just stating a fact that the United States doesn’t want this war to ever end. It has a material interest in keeping Russia bogged down as long as possible. This is true regardless of whether you blame Russia or not.
Pounding the table doesn’t make nonsense worthwhile.
Russia alone can end this war. The US cannot continue it, if they just leave. Nobody forced them to be there. Nobody is keeping them there. It is their war of aggression, for territory. Negotiating for anything besides “fuck off already” is pointless.
Stop blaming anyone else.
Stop pretending ‘you didn’t do diplomacy about our invasion, so the invasion marches on’ is anything but blame.
Fact: the war could be ended by diplomacy. Deal with it.
Also, let me be clear - the United States will never give Ukraine enough aid to win this war. Never. The point is to keep the war going forever, not to actually beat Russia. The US has zero interest in the war ever ending, you have to realize this. It’s better for a geopolitical rival to be tangled up forever.
No negotiating, no decisive victory, just an endless quagmire that acts as a permanent drag on the US’s rival and strengthens NATO. This war is the best gift Russia could have given the US. Get it?
Again, slapping the table with ‘fact!’ ‘deal with it!’ ‘period!’ sounds childish and adds nothing.
Especially when you’re still blaming America for Russia invading Ukraine.
Like it’s our fault they’re still there. They can leave. We can’t keep them.
And if we did what you’re suggesting, and just let them have Ukraine, they would invade someone else. We know this - because Ukraine’s not the first country they’ve done this to. NATO only exists because they keep fucking doing this. All of their neighbors joined a defensive pact because of it.
But oh no no no no, if we don’t politely talk to them about it, that’s us causing this war to go on. Fuck off.
I meant Russia.
Nobody’s keeping them there but them. Blame whatever boogieman you like - it’s their soldiers in someone else’s borders.
No blame here! I’m just stating a fact that the United States doesn’t want this war to ever end. It has a material interest in keeping Russia bogged down as long as possible. This is true regardless of whether you blame Russia or not.
You don’t know what blame is.
Or who controls Russia’s army, apparently.
I understand who controls Ukraine’s army and government and who tells them when they’re allowed to negotiate.
I’m not talking about blame. I thought I made that clear.
What you’re doing is blame whether you call it that or not.
There is nothing to negotiate. Russia invaded and can fuck off at any time. It is entirely up to them.
And nobody told Ukraine not to negotiate. Russia asked America. America is saying: ask Ukraine.
If you refuse to negotiate then you get the obvious result. Stop being idealistic. The result of not negotiating a s the war continues. Period.
Pounding the table doesn’t make nonsense worthwhile.
Russia alone can end this war. The US cannot continue it, if they just leave. Nobody forced them to be there. Nobody is keeping them there. It is their war of aggression, for territory. Negotiating for anything besides “fuck off already” is pointless.
Stop blaming anyone else.
Stop pretending ‘you didn’t do diplomacy about our invasion, so the invasion marches on’ is anything but blame.
Moralism.
Fact: the war could be ended by diplomacy. Deal with it.
Also, let me be clear - the United States will never give Ukraine enough aid to win this war. Never. The point is to keep the war going forever, not to actually beat Russia. The US has zero interest in the war ever ending, you have to realize this. It’s better for a geopolitical rival to be tangled up forever.
No negotiating, no decisive victory, just an endless quagmire that acts as a permanent drag on the US’s rival and strengthens NATO. This war is the best gift Russia could have given the US. Get it?
Again, slapping the table with ‘fact!’ ‘deal with it!’ ‘period!’ sounds childish and adds nothing.
Especially when you’re still blaming America for Russia invading Ukraine.
Like it’s our fault they’re still there. They can leave. We can’t keep them.
And if we did what you’re suggesting, and just let them have Ukraine, they would invade someone else. We know this - because Ukraine’s not the first country they’ve done this to. NATO only exists because they keep fucking doing this. All of their neighbors joined a defensive pact because of it.
But oh no no no no, if we don’t politely talk to them about it, that’s us causing this war to go on. Fuck off.