Dude I hate the US political system. But the US beats the hell out of China any day of the week. Attempting to draw any comparison that suggests the US is acting more irresponsibly than China is insulting at best.
But the US beats the hell out of China any day of the week.
It’s true, the US beats the hell out of China in school shootings, and medical debt, racially targeted police brutality, bombing foreign countries, and number of homeless people, and… Oh I could do this for days.
COVID deaths had some degree of undercounting everywhere. Let’s do the global comparison, shall we? Here’s the ratio of estimated deaths (using figures like excess mortality rate) to report deaths globally:
Do y’all ever have anything more recent than 1989 in these comparisons? How many people has China bombed in those years versus what the US has done? I remember a ridiculous BBC article claiming the PLA killed 10,000 people at Tiananmen square.
Yeah that would be bad, but the lowest numbers for the Iraq War I’ve seen have been over 1,000,000 dead. And that’s just one war the US has committed in the past 34 years
Fair point. US has definitely killed more non-US citizens than China has killed non-China citizens. I can’t honestly pretend the US foreign policy is righteous or even sustainable.
The US has killed more people than China in general, as in it’s not an even close to comparison. It’s like comparing a scraped knee to bullet in the chest. I wouldn’t be surprised if America has killed 10, 20, 50 times more people in the past 40 years.
That’s not an accurate interpretation of the event at all. Please do some research. I’ll give you a link to one of our threads on this to get you started: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1240721
Because it was not a “peaceful protest”. Have you even read the sources provided? The CIA funded “peaceful protesters” attacked and brutally murdered unarmed police sent to keep the peace. The leaders of the protests are on video saying they hoped to provoke a massacre in order to create enough outrage that people would topple the government of the CPC.
The point I’m making is that they’re independent territories not owned by China. China continues to censor and murder in attempts to gain more territory. Taiwan is still a sovereign country. Claiming it’s not is just factually wrong.
It looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, quacks like a duck… Well it might be a duck.
I understand definitions are incredibly important for both US and China. According to US and Taiwan, it’s a sovereign country. According to China and UN, it’s part of China. I would be willing to concede at “It’s complicated.”
According to both the US government and the authorities on Taiwan, Taiwan is a part of China.
The illegitimate regime in Taipei by its own constitution still claims itself to be the legitimate government of all of China. No one recognizes Taiwan as an independent state.
The US officially recognizes the One China Policy. This is the fundamental basis for any diplomatic relations with China. There is no “Taiwan embassy” in the US. The US constantly affirms to China that it does not support “Taiwan independence”.
(Also, it doesn’t matter what the US thinks about this anyway, the only opinion that matters is that of the Chinese people, including but not limited to the people in China’s province of Taiwan)
There is nothing complicated about this. The Taiwan issue is an internal matter for China to resolve. Outside forces have no right to interfere.
Also, i like how you backed off from your claim that Hong Kong is an independent country. Do you admit your ignorance on this issue or are you just trying to sweep an embarrassing mistake under the rug?
Here’s the thing… I can automatically discredit everything you say because the stance you’re taking. If you’re going to simp for something, it’s impossible to have a rational discussion.
You love China. I hate the US. I just hate China even more.
Well obviously that’s always on the table, but why come here then?
it’s impossible to have a rational discussion.
I just hate China even more.
Hmmm, makes sense why you can’t have a rational discussion then… but then why come here? To troll us? Certainly, you’re aware an explicitly pro-AES instance isn’t going to be Sinophobic.
Also, I find it funny your cope is that I “love China” because of the CPC bot thing, but maybe you unironically think I’m actually a CPC bot.
Edit: @cheese_weiner@lemm.ee, you’ve been banned from Lemmygrad for trolling, but I was curious if you might have responded and saw you commented.
Your response is laughably easy, so I’ll give an easy answer: China still has billionaires and income inequality. In an ideal world, that wouldn’t be there.
Dude I hate the US political system. But the US beats the hell out of China any day of the week. Attempting to draw any comparison that suggests the US is acting more irresponsibly than China is insulting at best.
Taiwan. Hong Kong. Tiananmen Sqaure Massacre.
It’s true, the US beats the hell out of China in school shootings, and medical debt, racially targeted police brutality, bombing foreign countries, and number of homeless people, and… Oh I could do this for days.
Number of people in prison both as a percent of population and in sheer numbers…
US definitely has a prison problem. Definitely not acting like it’s perfect.
But that makes China okay how? Do you even believe the numbers they spread? Covid is a great example of how reliable Chinese figures are.
COVID deaths had some degree of undercounting everywhere. Let’s do the global comparison, shall we? Here’s the ratio of estimated deaths (using figures like excess mortality rate) to report deaths globally:
Source: Figure 2 from https://www.healthdata.org/research-analysis/diseases-injuries/covid/estimation-total-and-excess-mortality-due-covid-19
At least I don’t have a government score rating my contributions to a central power. China is a dystopia.
The U.S. has FICO credit score; it’s the same thing
Do y’all ever have anything more recent than 1989 in these comparisons? How many people has China bombed in those years versus what the US has done? I remember a ridiculous BBC article claiming the PLA killed 10,000 people at Tiananmen square.
Yeah that would be bad, but the lowest numbers for the Iraq War I’ve seen have been over 1,000,000 dead. And that’s just one war the US has committed in the past 34 years
Fair point. US has definitely killed more non-US citizens than China has killed non-China citizens. I can’t honestly pretend the US foreign policy is righteous or even sustainable.
The US has killed more people than China in general, as in it’s not an even close to comparison. It’s like comparing a scraped knee to bullet in the chest. I wouldn’t be surprised if America has killed 10, 20, 50 times more people in the past 40 years.
Hawaii. Puerto Rico.
That’s not an accurate interpretation of the event at all. Please do some research. I’ll give you a link to one of our threads on this to get you started: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1240721
Copium. They sent literal tanks. Why? Why do you need tanks to handle a peaceful protest?
It wasn’t a peaceful protest. Please educate yourself first:
https://nitter.net/prolewiki/status/1666492127730098208
Because it was not a “peaceful protest”. Have you even read the sources provided? The CIA funded “peaceful protesters” attacked and brutally murdered unarmed police sent to keep the peace. The leaders of the protests are on video saying they hoped to provoke a massacre in order to create enough outrage that people would topple the government of the CPC.
What point are you even trying to make here by just saying names of places that are part of China?
The point I’m making is that they’re independent territories not owned by China. China continues to censor and murder in attempts to gain more territory. Taiwan is still a sovereign country. Claiming it’s not is just factually wrong.
Neither Hong Kong nor Taiwan are independent states. The UN only recognizes one China which is the PRC and Taiwan is part of it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_2758
It looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, quacks like a duck… Well it might be a duck.
I understand definitions are incredibly important for both US and China. According to US and Taiwan, it’s a sovereign country. According to China and UN, it’s part of China. I would be willing to concede at “It’s complicated.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_status_of_Taiwan
I think the Taiwan Strait is further evidence of the “It’s complicated” argument.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Strait
According to both the US government and the authorities on Taiwan, Taiwan is a part of China.
The illegitimate regime in Taipei by its own constitution still claims itself to be the legitimate government of all of China. No one recognizes Taiwan as an independent state.
The US officially recognizes the One China Policy. This is the fundamental basis for any diplomatic relations with China. There is no “Taiwan embassy” in the US. The US constantly affirms to China that it does not support “Taiwan independence”.
(Also, it doesn’t matter what the US thinks about this anyway, the only opinion that matters is that of the Chinese people, including but not limited to the people in China’s province of Taiwan)
There is nothing complicated about this. The Taiwan issue is an internal matter for China to resolve. Outside forces have no right to interfere.
Also, i like how you backed off from your claim that Hong Kong is an independent country. Do you admit your ignorance on this issue or are you just trying to sweep an embarrassing mistake under the rug?
Civilians died because of you mindless crackers, and it was the heroic police that stopped the murders and riots at the Beijing square.
👆 how to say you’re a brainwashed idiot without saying you’re a brainwashed idiot
Great point!
Why do you expect every single commenter to come at you with a bunch of sources and a well-prepared response, when you don’t give the same?
Here’s the thing… I can automatically discredit everything you say because the stance you’re taking. If you’re going to simp for something, it’s impossible to have a rational discussion.
You love China. I hate the US. I just hate China even more.
Well obviously that’s always on the table, but why come here then?
Hmmm, makes sense why you can’t have a rational discussion then… but then why come here? To troll us? Certainly, you’re aware an explicitly pro-AES instance isn’t going to be Sinophobic.
Also, I find it funny your cope is that I “love China” because of the CPC bot thing, but maybe you unironically think I’m actually a CPC bot.
Edit: @cheese_weiner@lemm.ee, you’ve been banned from Lemmygrad for trolling, but I was curious if you might have responded and saw you commented.
Your response is laughably easy, so I’ll give an easy answer: China still has billionaires and income inequality. In an ideal world, that wouldn’t be there.