Switch to Linux!
From Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1as1yjk/microsoft_in_their_infinite_wisdom_has_replaced/
I noticed this bullshit a few days ago on my Win 11 desktop! I found if you go check the settings of the start bar, you can hide the copilot icon in the lower right, and then there’s a check box to enable the lower right hand corner to work as show desktop again. The functionality can be restore to exactly as it was, but what the hell were they thinking.
Enshitification, plain and simple.
Everyone: Don’t say anything sensitive or personal to an AI because it could end up in training data!
Microsoft: We’re making it easier to feed everything you do on your computer to an AI from notepad to your desktop!
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I must admit, “Linux becomes the refuge of luddites” was never on any bingo card I could have conceived of for 202X.
Huh? Isn’t this about Microsoft changing out a button with a well established use, in order to take advantage of muscle memory and the unobservant?
Don’t think it’s much to do with people opposing technological advancement, but rather with opposing another company wanting to making a fool of them.
More over being a luddite on Linux is like a fish trying to breathe in a public swimming pool; it works until the chlorine poisoning sets in.
Linux adopts new technology constantly.The difference is that Linux generally adopts new technology because it enhances the user experience in some way, and not because it maximizes ad revenue and telemetry.
Very true.
Ehn, one can survive pretty long with a stable distro.
Yes, but eventually that LTS goes EOL and you’ll have to move from that abandonware.
Ubuntu LTS versions can last 10-12 years before EOL.
Yes, 10-12y to swim, slowly in-taking chlorine overtime…
Then when you do finally switch, you find yourself in a similar yet vastly different swimming pool and the cycle starts over.
Imagine when eventually the LTS goes Wayland only and Luddites go : “I’mma just stay with my abandonware forever.”
Luddites hate adapting to new technology as a character trait, it’s what makes them a Luddite.
Luddites will often choose to deal with decrepit, vulnerable, abandonware then change to something new because they don’t want to spend a week learning new “muscle memory”.
This is just another gripe about how Microsoft is putting AI into everything. If it’s really just about the position of a button (which apparently can be changed in the settings if you still want it there) it’s even more petty. Certainly not worth posting about on a general technology community.
I work in IT, and every time I do an install (sometimes new computers, sometimes not) for someone I see Microsoft’s little News widget they put on the Taskbar, the one that pops up a huge window if you mouse over it. Every time I see that, I ask the person if they ever use it, and they always say no. Then I ask them if they want it gone, and they always say yes, usually with some kind of relief. It’s a matter of two clicks to do it, easier than going into the settings menu like your screenshot, but every computer I haven’t been on previously has it. Now, I’d wonder why Microsoft would put something on the Taskbar that is, in my experience, universally disliked. To me it reeks of the pathetic, groveling, “I’ll suck your dick” energy they have when someone installs Chrome.
Windows 10 changed a lot over the course of its lifetime, and while some feature are good, like Dark Mode, they’re mostly useless or downright bad. So putting something that most people will never use and will greatly confuse and annoy the average user in a place that has been dedicated to a single function for at the very least Windows 10’s entire lifetime (I think it’s there in 8 and maybe 7 also) for seemingly no reason other than to fuck with people’s muscle memory is just one more move very worthy of griping about, no matter how easy it is for users to turn off. Because 99% of users just won’t, because they aren’t confident enough to go futzing around in the settings. But they’ll still get whatever god awful popup this button shows every time they try to show desktop like they’ve been doing for over a decade. It’s yet another change that nobody asked for, nobody will use, and that the user will have to remember that it’s different now for no reason.
The Luddites of Linux are one’s desperately trying to convince people that Xorg is perfectly flawless and that Wayland is vaporware.
A luddite should ideally not involve in Display Server wars
You people are fucking crazy and will literally find anything to fight about. Normal users don’t care about this sort of shit and it’s the thing that turns people completely off when they inevitably run into a problem with Linux.
Yeah, I don’t know why they devolve back to tribalism. I just installed the thing and the programs I had to use and just…kept using it since I didn’t want to pirate windows xd. No need to shout to others what’s my favorite fake non Unix distro or anything.
This is not tribalism.
This is people crying because Windows moved from 95 to 98 for comparison.Xorg has a plethora of unfixable issues, and people are mad that we can’t & don’t want to stick to it for all eternity, crippling the hell out of Linux growth & innovation.
inevitably run into a problem with Linux
This has nothing to do with any of kind of Linux problem.
It’s just Luddites crying because Linux is moving on from outdated flawed software that has a bunch of unfixable problems.
Same shit happens with windows, my guy. “WHAAAAAAAA MY WINDOWS XP/98 WHAAAAAA”, at least it’s often partially valid for windows…
Luddites are not exclusive to any particular OS.If someone is having a Linux issue, they just need to ask. Literally just ask me, or the vast major of other users, we’ll literally provide better tech support than Windows will ever have.
yeah I’ve seen the windows support forums, every official response either misses the point of the question or the answer is straight up wrong.
What gets me is the replies like “just wipe it & reinstall the whole thing”.
Yeah right, like I’mma spend an entire hour wiping, reformatting and reinstalling Windows, then varying additional time reconfiguring everything for a problem that likely has an extremely simple solution but they’re too lazy to gather the necessary information to actually solve it.
Assuming that the Windows installer doesn’t fuck up and I have to restart the install process again, which has happened to me several times.
At least Linux takes 5-10m tops to install for the user friendly distros.
Even I, a Linux user who’s spent hours upon days debugging kernel issues for my hardware can see how fuckin stupid that shit copout advice is.
Why would people you call luddites even care about your opinion really?
Come back with your Wayland ad when there’s something like CWM or FVWM for it.
It’s simply functionally inferior now. Calling people luddites won’t change that.
Why would people you call luddites even care about your opinion really?
Literally, YOU right now.
Also, this is the linux community; everyone has an opinion on everyone else’s opinion.Come back with your Wayland ad when there’s something like CWM or FVWM for it.
LabWC, Enlightenment, Wayfire, Weston, Sway, Hyperland, Vivarium, DWL, Velox, etc.
It’s simply functionally inferior now.
It’s functionally superior in many ways, and here’s the real kicker, its actually maintainable and expandable.
Xorg HDR when? How many decades and still don’t have HDR? LMAO.
I’m done waiting for Xorg to improve and implement features that simply will never be.Just fyi this isn’t the Linux community. It’s just “technology”.
Granted on lemmy it’s basically just one big Linux community.
Didn’t even realize lmao.
Literally, YOU right now.
I’m improving the community by answering demonstrably stupid opinions. So I don’t care about you in particular.
Sway, Hyperland, Vivarium, DWL, Velox, etc.
Wrong.
Xorg HDR when? How many decades and still don’t have HDR? LMAO.
I don’t use HDR and I don’t care. Just like you don’t care about what I use.
its actually maintainable and expandable.
Yes, I’m sure somewhere 10 years after I’ll use it after it’s been finally expanded to something usable.
I’m done waiting for Xorg to improve and implement features that simply will never be.
Too bad
I’m improving the community by answering demonstrably stupid opinions
You answer you’re own opinions? funny.
Wrong
CWM : stacking window manger
LabWC, Enlightenment, Wayfire, Weston, and Sway, etc.FVWM : Tab Window Manager
DWL, Hyprland, Sway again, etc.You’re factually disproven.
I don’t use HDR and I don’t care…
I’m sure somewhere 10 years after…Luddite : one who is opposed to technological change.
Thanks for proving my point. For further discussion you can TELNET me @ www.megaboomerenergy.com::80This is incomprehensible, you are arguing not having seen once what you are arguing about.
If you want a 1:1 equivalent WM, then you’ll just have to build it yourself scrub.
The WMs I listed can already do everything CWM & FVWM can, then some.
If Linux Luddites could TELNET into Lemmy, they would be very angry with you!
What do you mean? Vocal parts of Linux community is about 80% luddites
friendly reminder that https://theconversation.com/im-a-luddite-you-should-be-one-too-163172
That article attempts to paint Luddism in a positive light and then tries to redefine the term to mean something very for “neo-Luddites” anyway. I don’t find it particularly compelling or well reasoned.
“And the lord said unto John, come forth and install gentoo.”
Wow, Microsoft are always so innovative! I never thought that the Win11 taskbar could get any shittier, but somehow they managed it. It’s great to see those thousands of engineers being put to good use.
Install this. You will thank me later.
Purchase licence key
No, thanks.
Open shell?
This is the way.
This is the way
… Coffee costs more than this license.
its very reasonable
There are free OS alternatives out there (which I suspect you already use but just want to poop on other’s parade).
I assume that if someone’s already using Windows, a paid OS, they are willing to pay $2 to make it usable.
I prefer if persistent, high-permission code running on my machine is FOSS, and support the devs if I see it’s useful
I prefer it too, but if something works well and saves me time and effort for $2, I don’t make a big deal out of it. I also need to accomplish things other than monkeying around with my computer.
idk who pays for windows these days but go you
Almost everyone pays for Windows. Notice how computers that let you not include it in the order get cheaper.
not everyone buys prebuilts but I haven’t had any actual windows license since like windows 7 I just use a random key off a PC work is throwing out oh just don’t register the shit
classic shell does the same thing for free I’ll pass
Thanks. My win11 install is coming up. Looks like I may need this. Bookmarked
There are more ways to make Windows suck less, even open source ones: https://feddit.de/comment/7447632 Of course, pick whatever is best for you, but FOSS is ultimately safer (and free!).
It has had such a massive positive effect on my life relative to the price.
Not open source. Use:
- Open Shell
- brings a normal Start Menu back as well as an optional taskbar in Explorer
- Explorer Patcher
- revives Explorer’s “commented-out code”, bringing back functionality from previous Windows versions: optionally translucent taskbar without blur, seconds display in calendar popup, optionally the weather widget and many many more
- CTT winutil
- installs/updates various free programs for you with one click, one-stop-shop for all kinds of recommended debloat/freedom settings
- MSEdge Redirect
- self-explanatory: all Bing queries from within the OS apps go to your preferred search engine & default browser instead
- Open Shell
I did one better. I installed Linux
Goody for you
If it’s not a link to an Ubuntu LiveCD, I’m leaving Lemmy
Come on people I’m joking. You can unclench your butthills
Ditch Ubuntu too. Mint or OpenSuse are very good alternatives.
Not to mention sweet mother Debian.
Ubuntu server is fine relax
With how they keep shoving snaps at everyone? At my work a migration to Debian is starting to be openly pondered.
gnome is pushing flatpacks. the official gnome distro is immutable.
i like debian. i like gnome. i don’t like this trend.
I almost never interact with desktop Linux. That’s a horrifying trend.
We do not talk about ubuntu here
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I’ve used them all (probably 20+ different OS’ in my lifetime), and they all have a place. I use Windows, MacOS, and Linux daily, each for what they are good at. Maybe people should use what works best for them?
Linux exists people, without copilot using your information for training data and if you game, has Valve releasing updates like crazy for proton making it easier and easier to use Linux for gaming. The only thing I use Windows for is GeForce now as the windows and Mac apps are the only way for me to play 1440p 120fps with their service.
Good beginner distros: pop_os, Ubuntu, Linux mint, Nobara or fedora, Garuda, Manjaro, solus, zorin. The possibilities are really endless. Just take your pick, make a bootable USB and try it out.
They’re signaling that you don’t need a desktop anymore, only chat bot. Your device will be a kiosk where you ask Microsoft for favours.
Muscle memory abuse
That’s what made me refuse to use the Reddit official app before their API garbage. Every update was a gamble as to whether they’d try to make me spend money through muscle memory.
reminds me of discord
Never used it. It asked for my phone number for verification when I tried to sign up, a long time back. I was like
I guess user name does not check out.
I’m so glad I switched to linux
Switch to Linux!
As a Linux user myself, let me tell you that telling people what they should/must do this is how you make people plainly ignore you and think you’re just an annoying person.
People will keep using what works for them, be it Windows/Linux/MacOS even if with minor inconveniences. Same goes for browsers/services/etc…
Linux. You’ll be glad you did.
Free. Easy to install. Never gets viruses. Never crashes. Rock solid.
Runs good on old machines. Runs like lightning on new machines.
I’ve installed it for 3 old ladies (3 separate installs). They like its simplicity and low-bullshit.
I personally use Debian with a Mate desktop.
Windows Key+D
Press it again to restore all apps to foreground.
What’s the shortcut to remove the data-harvesting, power-sucking leech that is Copilot?
The power button
Hold on, just gotta do a quick update first. Just one sec
Tron does a decent job of scrubbing it
The longcut is installing Linux
If I wanted to memorize a bunch of random shortcuts and gestures to do basic tasks I’d use MacOS.
I just got a Mac for work. The hotkeys are definitely worse
After using both (windows personal , Mac work) , I personally find the hot keys more intuitive in some areas and worse in others. Command being the requirement for a lot of shortcuts makes it easier , but stuff like show desktop or lock were annoying until more recent versions.
My point was that MacOS requires you to remember a bunch of shortcuts for basic things that Windows handles naturally. Like want to know what Windows you have open? On Windows you can tell that fromd the taskbar, on MacOS you have to remember a shortcut.
That’s fair. The dots under the application in the dock let you know what is open. I find expose easier to use because you can see them all at once like you can do on windows. I only look at the dock to see what’s open on windows, and I alway group them which is probably why the Mac setup works for me
im meant to use a Macbook for work. I don’t. I sign into it whenever they complain I haven’t signed into it and go straight back to using my old computer I formatted for work. it doesn’t even support two screens!
Mx series MacBooks are a non starter for work since they only support a single external monitor like it’s 2002.
Even the Mx Pro series MacBooks don’t support Multi Stream Transport, so are limited to only outputting two displays.
I miss Windows.
Bro you just need 6 for 99% of the cases
- Alt F4
- Ctrl C / V
- Win D
- Ctrl alt Del
- Alt tab
And maybe Ctrl Z/Y (depends on layout with this one) to Undo and Redo
Edit:typo
The Win+X menu is the bomb.
Also see Win+E and ctrl+w
Win+V / Win+Shift+V / Ctrl+Shift+V for text manipulation
Win+[1–9] to launch apps or alt+space (might require powertools)
win+ctrl+d win+ctrl+[⬅️/➡️] for VDs
You only listed 5 ;)
I put ctrl C and ctrl V on the same line but I counted them as 2 ;)
And until a day ago, I only had to remember 5
Yeah, I wish I never had to use a mouse. Only serves to slow things down. Obviously, gaming, necessary, but anything productive, taking your hands off the keyboard is a waste.
I am not a programmer, either. Using Excel and Word are secondary functions in my job, basically administrative, making invoices, record keeping, but they function so much better with your hands on keyboard. Alt menus for the office suite are time savers. And the stupid expensive bullshit proprietary software I use for my work is basically built to use hotkeys.
Penguin lovers, assemble.
I’ve been using Linux since Ubuntu was in the single digits. Looks like windows entering the double digits is finally the end. I thought win10 would be able to stay relatively unmolested, but nope, copilot button and bullshit right there in the bar. Why can’t you just leave us the fuck alone. Your driving everyone away who doesn’t have a professional obligation to use your OS. I’ll still have to keep a old win10 boot drive that never connects to a network so I can play games and use CAD that Linux can’t. As a KDE fanboi they’ve added pretty much everything I’ve always wished for and plasma 6 is launching.
Now is my time. Fuck you Microsoft. I won’t miss you.
Windows 11 offers nothing better than Windows 10, but there’s a few key things that don’t work as good/bugged on win11 for me. Should have not updated I think
Clippy never really went away, he’s just been evolving this whole time into something more and more annoying with each new iteration.
