The “i don’t want factions” faction is as much a faction as all the others. Would you prefer I not say the word faction? Would you prefer the word ideology? Everyone has an ideology, whether they are aware of it or not. These ideologies result in political factions. The core ideological factions of the UK are the socialists, the neoliberals and the fascists. There used too be a faction between the neoliberals and the fascists but they basically collapsed with David Cameron followed by Brexit.
These groupings exist because they have irreconcilable differences in ideology. Socialists want to abolish private property whereas the other factions do not. The fascists (or at least part of them, complexity occurs here) want an anglo ethnostate and to stamp on the neck of the workers with hierarchical power while the other factions do not. The difference between ideologies is that create factions is in the policy beliefs where there is no middle-ground, where things become irreconcilable. There is no middle ground between the existence of private property and not. There is no middle ground between an anglo ethnostate and not.
If you believe in property and I do not we are naturally going to be in opposing factions. How do you propose eliminating that? Trying to claim this is a problem only because of people who acknowledge the factions exist is just refusing to accept the real differences that create them.
Which you’ve just invented. No such animal exists unless you insist on comprehending the world in absolutes. It’s an unhelpful choice.
irreconcilable differences in ideology
There are none. When you choose an ideology that claims there are, then you are de facto giving up on politics in favour of fighting.
The reason we as a species gradually invented politics over the last five or ten thousand years is precisely to reconcile differences of opinion that would otherwise lead to conflict. A refusal to partake in it would be base barbarism, in my estimation.
There are none. When you choose an ideology that claims there are, then you are de facto giving up on politics in favour of fighting.
You did not answer my question. What is the reconcilable position between “private property exists” and “private property does not exist” ?
If you can’t answer this then you must accept that all you are saying is “stop having politics that can’t be reconciled” which is just out of touch with reality.
The reason we as a species gradually invented politics over the last five or ten thousand years is precisely to reconcile differences of opinion that would otherwise lead to conflict. A refusal to partake in it would be base barbarism, in my estimation.
What? “Politics” is not about reconciliation. It is a battle between competing ideologies created by contradictions in society for the securement of the power to implement those ideologies. The very idea that you think a person of colour can reconcile with the people that want that person exterminated or deported is utterly absurd. “Politics” does not simply take place in the halls of institutions dedicated to policy either, politics also takes place in the streets, in the workplace, and through the barrel of a gun. Seeing politics solely as what occurs in westminster is an extremely narrow field of view, lgbt people for example did not achieve all the gains they have in the halls of power, they achieved them in the streets. Similarly workers rarely ever achieve their victories in the halls, they achieve them in the streets and the workplace.
Is there really any need to import stupid school playground drama from reddit?
No. No, there is not :)
I kind of want Optivo to turn up and rant about Corbyn just so I can ban him for a laugh. Lol.
You are expecting us not to do politics in political communities?
You’re keen to do “factions” (your word).
That’s not politics. That’s the problem with politics.
The “i don’t want factions” faction is as much a faction as all the others. Would you prefer I not say the word faction? Would you prefer the word ideology? Everyone has an ideology, whether they are aware of it or not. These ideologies result in political factions. The core ideological factions of the UK are the socialists, the neoliberals and the fascists. There used too be a faction between the neoliberals and the fascists but they basically collapsed with David Cameron followed by Brexit.
These groupings exist because they have irreconcilable differences in ideology. Socialists want to abolish private property whereas the other factions do not. The fascists (or at least part of them, complexity occurs here) want an anglo ethnostate and to stamp on the neck of the workers with hierarchical power while the other factions do not. The difference between ideologies is that create factions is in the policy beliefs where there is no middle-ground, where things become irreconcilable. There is no middle ground between the existence of private property and not. There is no middle ground between an anglo ethnostate and not.
If you believe in property and I do not we are naturally going to be in opposing factions. How do you propose eliminating that? Trying to claim this is a problem only because of people who acknowledge the factions exist is just refusing to accept the real differences that create them.
Which you’ve just invented. No such animal exists unless you insist on comprehending the world in absolutes. It’s an unhelpful choice.
There are none. When you choose an ideology that claims there are, then you are de facto giving up on politics in favour of fighting.
The reason we as a species gradually invented politics over the last five or ten thousand years is precisely to reconcile differences of opinion that would otherwise lead to conflict. A refusal to partake in it would be base barbarism, in my estimation.
You did not answer my question. What is the reconcilable position between “private property exists” and “private property does not exist” ?
If you can’t answer this then you must accept that all you are saying is “stop having politics that can’t be reconciled” which is just out of touch with reality.
What? “Politics” is not about reconciliation. It is a battle between competing ideologies created by contradictions in society for the securement of the power to implement those ideologies. The very idea that you think a person of colour can reconcile with the people that want that person exterminated or deported is utterly absurd. “Politics” does not simply take place in the halls of institutions dedicated to policy either, politics also takes place in the streets, in the workplace, and through the barrel of a gun. Seeing politics solely as what occurs in westminster is an extremely narrow field of view, lgbt people for example did not achieve all the gains they have in the halls of power, they achieved them in the streets. Similarly workers rarely ever achieve their victories in the halls, they achieve them in the streets and the workplace.
QED.
Oh well, I tried.