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    state of Israel is a genocidal ethnostate

    You’re now admitting that Israel is a Jewish state despite trying to claim otherwise for this entire thread.

    I’ve only responded to you a couple times, and all I said is that Israel is not all jews, does not speak for all jews, and is a genocidal ethnostate.

    Saying death to an ethnostate does not mean death to the people in it, same as death to america doesn’t literally mean all americans should die.

    This isn’t that hard.

    Israel kills way more Palestinian civilians every day

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. Israel is doing horrible things, but it doesn’t deflect from the fact that “death to Israel” is antisemitic.

    One of those parties is a colonial occupier, the other an occupied people resisting state violence. I can support one and not the other.

    You’ve taken this argument far away from “death to Israel” not being antisemitic because you’re trying to argue that Palestine should exist. I’m not saying it shouldn’t, but it doesn’t make you not antisemitic.

    Death to Israel is not antisemetic, because despite the europeans wrapping it in the trappings of jewishness, it isn’t all jews, doesn’t speak for all jews.

    Israel systematically disenfranchises non-jews and sterilizes non-white jews.

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      Saying death to an ethnostate does not mean death to the people in it

      It does when civilians are being killed.

      One of those parties is a colonial occupier, the other an occupied people resisting state violence. I can support one and not the other.

      Your support for Palestine doesn’t make “death to Israel” not antisemitic.

      Death to Israel is not antisemetic, because despite the europeans wrapping it in the trappings of jewishness, it isn’t all jews, doesn’t speak for all jews

      Just because Israel doesn’t represent all Jews doesn’t absolve you of antisemitism for wishing death upon Israel. It is majority Jewish, and just above you have stated that the problems are all caused by the “European colony” of Jews. You’re mad at Israel because of those Jews, but not the Jews you like? This was common Nazi apologist rhetoric under Hitler.

      Israel systematically disenfranchises non-jews and sterilizes non-white jews.

      1. The story isn’t as simple as you’ve described it.
      2. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
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        Fake ass settler state getting defended by the bigger fake ass settler state.

        Occupied people can resist occupation by any means necessary.

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          Occupied people can resist occupation by any means necessary.

          No. You can’t start killing civilians just because other civilians or their parents or their grandparents or or their racioethnic group or their government have taken land that belonged to you or your family’s ancestry or your racioethnic group or your government.

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            What a convenient opinion for an American to have lol

            You’re parked on a mountain of corpses on stolen land saying that might makes right

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              I haven’t done that at all, but you equating me with my race/country does further demonstrate your racism. Thanks.

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                    No you just showed up to tone police people resisting settler violence, and act obtuse about what words mean. How are you a native speaker??

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        You’re mad at Israel because of those Jews, but not the Jews you like? This was common Nazi apologist rhetoric under Hitler.

        I’m mad at Israel because of the genocide it is predicated on.

        Non white Jews have been sterilized there, it’s got far more in common with the Nazis than any other state besides America