Yeah no. Replace gay with with black and you have your answer . There was a civil rights era fought over this exact discrimination. The sctous is currently full of political hacks.
They just took away our right not to be discriminated against and not a peep out of anyone. All those people, for years, fighting for civil rights. Gone. It’s the frog in the pot strategy but I doubt the religious will wait long to use this.
Soon we will hear about waitresses and barbers not wanting to do their job because muh religion gave them an excuse to discriminate
In theory I agree with you but at the same time it seems incredibly naive to me to think laws that force homophobes to work with gay people against their will, are going to fix discrimination, to be honest that would even create additional problems imo. How do you even want to put that in practice? Force the photographer at gunpoint to take nice pictures on a gay wedding? i don think that would be practicable. Maybe fining the photographer if he is stupid enough to be honest about why he refuses a job? Well, from now on he will just say his schedule is full when a gay person calls. I just can imagine any realistic way this would work tbh.
Of course open and structural discrimination needs to be outlawed, like having signs that say “No blacks” or “No gays” but the issue of individual discrimination can not be solved by the law, it can only change through real social development towards a tolerant society, sorry USA but that is how it looks.
Nope. As I understand it works like this- if you have a business you agree to offer your services to and serve everyone. You don’t get to pick and choose who you serve. Otherwise get sued and close. Now they can always come up with some BS reason why they don’t want to do the job. They just can’t refuse to because a client is LGBT.
To the people trying to justify this: tell it to all the black people who suffered through segregation at white owned cafeterias.
Yes, obviously it is, that was never in question from my side though. However the question remains how far laws can help with discrimination. As you know racial discrimination is illegal in the USA for some decades now. So how is the situation today? Did those laws fix racism? Sure people can put up discriminatory signs anymore but in fact the USA is still one of the most racist societies on the planet, until this day. So obviously laws can help only to a certain degree. I think laws can help with public and structural/institutional discrimination pretty well but they can not fix individual discrimination. So obviously, there is a limit to how far we can get in fixing this problem just by making more laws. What laws can not change is how people feel and think, only real social development towards more tolerance, based on proper education can do that imo.
Yeah no. Replace gay with with black and you have your answer . There was a civil rights era fought over this exact discrimination. The sctous is currently full of political hacks.
They just took away our right not to be discriminated against and not a peep out of anyone. All those people, for years, fighting for civil rights. Gone. It’s the frog in the pot strategy but I doubt the religious will wait long to use this.
Soon we will hear about waitresses and barbers not wanting to do their job because muh religion gave them an excuse to discriminate
In theory I agree with you but at the same time it seems incredibly naive to me to think laws that force homophobes to work with gay people against their will, are going to fix discrimination, to be honest that would even create additional problems imo. How do you even want to put that in practice? Force the photographer at gunpoint to take nice pictures on a gay wedding? i don think that would be practicable. Maybe fining the photographer if he is stupid enough to be honest about why he refuses a job? Well, from now on he will just say his schedule is full when a gay person calls. I just can imagine any realistic way this would work tbh.
Of course open and structural discrimination needs to be outlawed, like having signs that say “No blacks” or “No gays” but the issue of individual discrimination can not be solved by the law, it can only change through real social development towards a tolerant society, sorry USA but that is how it looks.
Nope. As I understand it works like this- if you have a business you agree to offer your services to and serve everyone. You don’t get to pick and choose who you serve. Otherwise get sued and close. Now they can always come up with some BS reason why they don’t want to do the job. They just can’t refuse to because a client is LGBT.
To the people trying to justify this: tell it to all the black people who suffered through segregation at white owned cafeterias.
Do your feet still touch the ground when you walk?
I lived in Tennessee and I’ve seen how hateful they can be. This is discrimination pure and simple.
Yes, obviously it is, that was never in question from my side though. However the question remains how far laws can help with discrimination. As you know racial discrimination is illegal in the USA for some decades now. So how is the situation today? Did those laws fix racism? Sure people can put up discriminatory signs anymore but in fact the USA is still one of the most racist societies on the planet, until this day. So obviously laws can help only to a certain degree. I think laws can help with public and structural/institutional discrimination pretty well but they can not fix individual discrimination. So obviously, there is a limit to how far we can get in fixing this problem just by making more laws. What laws can not change is how people feel and think, only real social development towards more tolerance, based on proper education can do that imo.
The way it works is if you don’t want to serve everyone you shut down. Period.
Yeah, right …