Obvious examples of Central Intelligence Agency covert action abroad are difficult to identify today, save for occasional acknowledged calamities, such as the long-running $1 billion effort to overthrow the government of Syria, via funding, training and arming barbarous jihadist groups.
  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
    2·
    1 year ago

    So you are arguing 2 wrongs make a right? Never-mind that in Yugoslavia there was ethnic cleansing going on. Add to that; I think the moral argument matters a lot actually.

    No, I’m arguing that the west has no moral high ground here and has literally set the precedent for what Russia is doing. Incidentally, ethnic cleansing is precisely the pretext Russia used as well. If the west cared about morals then it would start with fixing its own behavior.

    RAND writes in the study that based on Russia’s actions, conflict between the US and Russia are inevitable and makes an analysis on what can be done to counter it.

    That is not what the study says. You should actually read it before commenting in it. Furthermore, Jeffery Sachs who was literally in the room when these meetings happened just confirmed today from first hand account that this was indeed the plan all along https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VMUkLlO4w4

    The fact NATO was dragged into a war under false pretenses is something that still has not been dealt with adequately in my opinion. Let alone the consequences of these decades of war.

    The NATO wasn’t dragged into anything. It chose to conduct a war of aggression against a defenceless country and fucked it for two decades killing and displacing countless people in the process. Nobody was punished for this, no guilt was acknowledged, no sanctions, nothing. This is the moral standard the west presents.

    Under a million, the 6 million is a guestimation that includes indirect deaths from the actual deaths. I cannot speak to the validity of the claim, but neither can the article. But even the 1 million number is mind boggling to me.

    It absolutely does not matter whether the deaths are direct or indirect. These people would not have died if NATO had not invaded these countries. These are crimes against humanity of the highest scale. The fact that you are trying to split hairs here really shows what your morals really are.

    Are you referring to the territory held by the Kurds in the North east?

    No, I’m referring to the agricultural land and oil producing regions that US holds, and has bases on with troops. This is land that US military directly occupies while robbing the people of Syria of their resources.

    Lets hear from the source: IAEA “still waiting to gain the necessary access to the rooftops of reactor units 3 and 4 following recent reports that explosives may have been placed there”

    And they will and there’s going to be nothing there because it makes absolutely no sense for Russia to blow up its own power plant. Anybody who is capable of basic rational thought understands that. In fact, even Ukraine backed off those insane claims recently.

    First: The deal covers a lot more than grain alone. Second: The world food market is complex. The total food supply was diminished causing higher prices, meaning food insecurity for the worlds poorest. By alleviating the constraint, prices go down again.

    Except Russia has already confirmed that they will supply food to the Global South. This is a made up narrative without any basis in reality. https://sputnikglobe.com/20230717/russia-to-continue-food-supplies-to-global-south-despite-black-sea-grain-deal-suspension-1111949743.html

    • Tosti@feddit.nl
      11·
      1 year ago

      Wow, Ohkay. It seems you are just ignoring some realities and calling them pretexts (Ethnic cleansing in Bosnia is a fact. Ethnic cleansing in the Donbas is not: ICJ: Ukraine v. Russian Federation (2022)). You then refer to some questionable sources like Jeffery “Uyghur camps are not genocide” Sachs who appeared on the air with Vladimir “russia’s unhinged principal propagandist” Solovyov and other russian apologists. Then continue by ignoring the fact that the russians have denied the IAEA access to the roof etc for close to a month now. And finish off by stating that the sheer volume of food products coming from Ukraine having an impact on global food prices is a made up narrative.

      I’m done with this. The only reason i replied is in he hopes that if someone ever comes across this thread they can see who you are and what you are arguing for.

      I’ll concede the west is not perfect by any means, far from it. And the US with her many flaws is not some holy beacon of goodness that we should all aspire to be, far from it. But the argument that Russia, China and the likes are not as evil as they are made out to be is just delusional and dangerous.