• ro-row@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    His anti-red card thing is clearly nonsense

    The reason there are more red cards now then there were in the 80s, which he references with the 1985 FA Cup final, is because there are more fouls that are deemed red card offences, even tackles from 10 years ago which would have been yellows are reds now, it’s nothing to do with VAR and just shows how desperate he is for a point against it

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      1 year ago

      He follows that up with the fact there were 30 odd red cards last season compared to 25 so far this season. He’s making the bigger point that the recent increase in VAR intervention and upturn in dismissals is leading to shite uneven matches far too regularly.

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        1 year ago

        That does also gloss over the fact that we have seen new rule changes too.

        We’ve seen that dissent and time-wasting and now punished a lot more harshly, which has also contributed to it and those aren’t down to VAR interventions.

    • -MYTHR1L-@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Have you even been watching the games this week? Rashfords was never a red card but slowed down 10000% it looks terrible and the refs are using that to send people off. It happens every weekend and is ruining the game.

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        1 year ago

        I didn’t watch united because I was at the emirates so I don’t know the details of the rashford red but reds are now given more often because IFAB seem more challenges and more things a red card and issue stupid guidance that ends up with more things being penalised and less consistency season to season

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    1 year ago

    It’s crazy how night and day their opinions are when they’re on sky versus on other networks/personal accs, massive hypocrites

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      1 year ago

      Why do football fans struggle to understand the concept of hypocrisy so badly? Even if you think that Carrager says one thing on Sky and another on Twitter, and that it’s because of who pays his wages, that isn’t hypocrisy. It’s self-serving and inconsistent at worst.

  • BTECGolfManagement@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    This is what the refs have always wanted btw - they’ve never ever been under more scrutiny than they have the past couple seasons and they’re squirming trying to figure out a way to change the as is

    Carragher doing PR pieces for the refs is an example of this shower of self-serving useless wankers trying to keep the status quo

  • Dinamo8@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    I don’t see any hypocrisy. You can say that you think it’s wrong for the type of Statements Arteta came out with and at the same time not want VAR anymore.

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    Where was this energy after the weekend’s premier league games…?

    Is this the same guy that called Arteta and Arsenal embarrassing for lambasting Var but now it’s Liverpool we need to limit it.

    This guy is an absolute bellend.

  • lee7on1@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    VAR became the main point of a lot of post-match discussions to the point that we never had so much complaining about refs. Every single big game has some VAR controversy, and this is just extremely bad.

    VAR needs to move to WC’s version of offside (that one simply can’t be disputed, even if it’s 1mm offside it’s easier to swallow than the line garbage) and for ABSOLUTELY CLEAR decisions. If VAR is taking 5 minutes to decide on something then that’s ridiculous.

    Or give coaches challenges or whatever. Current model is disgusting and ruining all of football discussions. I’m tired of analysing every single decision that refs make.

  • -MYTHR1L-@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    Finally the movement to get VAR out of our game is gaining traction.

    Carra is right on the goalline tech, that can stay. But the offside rubbish can get binned. Scoring a goal is the best moment in football bar none, having to faff around even for a few seconds spoils it. There was nothing wrong with having a linesman before and the “3 yards offside” described in the article happened so rarely it doesn’t matter.

    Get fucking var out of the sport.

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    1 year ago

    VAR is a wonderful tool. If you’re too stupid to use a tool then you should resign and give the spot to someone who CAN use it.

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      It’s funny yo see how many people here are against VAR, all of them with PL flairs. In the Eredivisie, it’s used in a (mostly) competent manner and I don’t think I’ve heard of a single person that wants VAR to be binned yet within Eredivisie context.

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        1 year ago

        I know right? Getting rid of VAR is like demanding to get rid of cars because some drunk fool hit a child while coming back home from a bar.

        Just because the English refs are incredibly incompetent and/or perhaps corrupt doesn’t mean that VAR in itself is bad. Ridiculous.

        Replace the staff (they sure as shit got plenty of money to get the best refs in Europe) and get on with it.

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    Oh god I totally agree.

    I think this forum is a great example of why VAR exists & why it’s shit.

    Most people on here only watch their team on the TV, probably didn’t play. Consume football through online, mostly.

    As a result there is this fucking hysteria around decisions and an obsession with there not being any errors.

    It’s seen as like some deep rooted injustice now if a decision doesn’t go your way. Previously that was just sort of accepted & people move on. Now we have Reddit and twitter so people don’t move on, they post it and show angles and argue about it.

    Before, you just went to the game or watched it on TV and that was kind of your consumption of that game over with.

    I don’t know why people are so quick to ignore the actual football. Like Newcastle Arsenal. Tight game, but Newcastle were better than Arsenal. Yeah gooners didn’t get bailed out by the referee, but the fact is they still weren’t as good and that’s why they lost. - but all of that becomes irrelevant because there is some controversy to obsess over.

    Had Arsenal just played well & won we wouldn’t have a fucking club statement, Arteta acting like he’s Malcom X & gooners fabricating illuminati level conspiracy theory bullshit as those Mike Dean is this puppet master over all pundits.

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    1 year ago

    It’s a little bit worse on TV now, but it’s horrendous at the game. No doubt that it has negatively affected the match-going experience.

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    The people campaigning for the removal of VAR are clearly forgetting the rage over missed decisions in the pre-VAR age. I’m talking the Chelsea goal against Cardiff a few seasons back where the Chelsea player was like three yards offside, there was ghost goals such as the Liverpool champions league game (also against Chelsea) and the Lampard goal against Germany. People went ballistic over these errors at the time - Cardiff went on to be relegated, Chelsea and England were eliminated from their respective tournaments. The impact is huge on missing these mistakes.

    The problem is not, and has never been VAR, the problem is the old guard of referees who do not know how to use it, or intentionally misuse it to bring about this exact discussion. The problem is pundits like Carragher who won’t bother to keep themselves updated with the latest rules, just so when there is a confusing handball given or not given, they can loudly declare that they don’t have a clue what football is anymore and this is all the fault of a fucking video system.