cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1874605
A 17-year-old from Nebraska and her mother are facing criminal charges including performing an illegal abortion and concealing a dead body after police obtained the pair’s private chat history from Facebook, court documents published by Motherboard show.
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To the people shitting on the idea of a default defederation with Meta, how about we deferedate not because it will affect us as posters but because they are evil pieces of shit?
Just yesterday here on Lemmy, I mentioned the dangers of violating privacy, and some commenters went on about “what dangers?” Implying there were none…
Is it not enough to gesture broadly?
No one has anything to hide, until they do
I once heard that “Anyone can be charged with a crime if they can be watched closely enough for long enough.”
People are getting all upset at Facebook/Meta here but they were served a valid warrant. I don’t think there is much to get mad about them here. The takeaway I get is this:
Avoid giving data to others. No matter how trustworthy they are (not that Meta is) they can be legally compelled to release it. Trust only in cryptography.
There is of course the other question of if abortion being illegal is a policy that most people agree with…but that is a whole different kettle of fish that I won’t get into here.
America is a terrifying church with guns. I pity the citizens.
Every country has the anti-abortion cancer movement and it wouldn’t surprise me if the shit gets more serious here in Europe too with the rise of far right parties. As a matter of fact you have only to look at Poland.
Facebook doesn’t use e2e.
There is a private chat e2e feature, but then your chats don’t show up on PC.
Gonna Re-Share this resource… PLEASE forward to individuals who may need it! https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/digital-security-and-privacy-tips-those-involved-abortion-access
And y’all thought China having your data was something to be afraid of.
When you oppose the left-wing, you’re defending this.
So either FB isn’t actually E2E, or their implementation is Twitter-grade broken.
Who said facebooks private chat would be e2e?
There is no presumption of privacy, especially when you’re the product.
There is no way for these companies to say no to law enforcement. That is why you should stay away from corporate social media.
Meta needs to be destroyed. No organisation, person, or people should hold that much power.
I’m almost certain that if something like this happened to any fediverse instance - that a local police enforcement would contact the admin and asked for user’s data, which they are required by law to provide or they would go to jail/get a hefty fine and possibly a criminal record, they would do that too. That’s also why E2E is required, to prevent such problems for instance admins - but then again, there’s really nothing you can do against local law, and if it requires that you have to be able to cooperate, well… Then there’s not much the admin can do, without putting himself in a real risk of prosecution, because he is breaking the law by have E2E.
That’s also a good reason to be careful when selecting your home instance, and making sure that you choose one in a country that has all right laws in that regard.
Of course, that’s assuming the police makes contact. I don’t suppose that the admins would be searching through the DMs of people to snitch on them. And if Meta is doing that preemtively and is actively snitching on people - that’s downright evil.
She aborted at 28 weeks. That’s nearly 6 and a half months pregnant. Most babies can survive outside the womb when they’re around 22 to 23 weeks. This was a baby, not some tiny fetus.
I have mixed feelings on abortion, but spying on and snitching on people you disagree with is too far
I honestly don’t get this stance. If you believe abortion is killing a human, then you treat it like murder. If you believe it isn’t killing a human, because it really isn’t, then it’s just an inconsequential medical procedure that no one should care about.
I never said abortion is murder, i just said i do not know what to think of abortions
@PepperDust @pulaskiwasright that’s the fucked up part. As a man you have the benefit of not needing to know what to think. Women don’t get that luxury. Yet every man’s opinion gets to dictate women’s legality.
That’s how democracy works. Every man has just as much power over whether or not abortion should be legal as every woman has power over whether or not men have to register for the draft.
There hasn’t been a draft since the 1970s. It’s hardly an issue anymore. Yet women have been actually dying and suffering because of a lack of access to life saving medical care since Roe was overturned last year.
Absolutely correct. My point though is that saying “men don’t get to have an opinion” is a silly, and unproductive argument in favor of what should he abortion rights. Representative democracy wouldn’t function at all if no one was allowed to have an opinion on things that they don’t do directly and not let those opinions influence how they vote. That’s a silly argument.
@pulaskiwasright wow pointing out one problem to justify another… all while avoiding the consequences of either. bravo
I’m pointing out that in a democracy, people really do make laws for things that they don’t do. It couldn’t work any other way.
