In other news, emissions from private jets still represent barely anything compared to emissions from freight transport of crap people want delivered at their door tomorrow.
Drop in a bucket maybe but it’s for like 0.001% of the population. Which is an insane number per capita at this scale. Magnitudes is one of the biggest things people miss when talking about emissions, one single billionaire pollutes more every single day than thousands average people.
Every single one of us has to make efforts to combat climate change but some a lot more than others.
Comparing fright and person transport seams a bittle apple to oranges.
Emission per passenger-kilometer is the only sane way to compare person transport.
Fright should probably be separated into essenstials and luxury, but we all have our yearly footprint.
Ok then, passenger air travel is still releasing a whole lot more emissions than private jets, people stopping to travel all over during their vacations would have a much bigger impact.
There are a lot more people on a regular plane then on a private jet. So emissions per person-kilometer is not higher.
While obviously the total objective number of co2 equivalents will be higher for mass transit then for luxury jets for the super rich. That does not mean they get a free pass because there are fewer of them.
Putting a price on polution, where the poluter have to pay the real global cost, and not outsource that cost to society would be a great thing. But getting all countries in the world to agree to a common scheme seems impossible.
I never said they get a free pass, I said they barely represent anything when looking at air travel as a whole, don’t put words in my mouth.
Also, four people in a Chevy Suburban with a big V8 pollute less to travel the same distance compared to doing it in a passenger plane.
There’s a whole lot of hypocrisy from people who travel the world and complain about pollution… Or simply, people who moved cross country to continue their education when a similar college/university exists much closer to where their family is, meaning they wouldn’t have to take the plane many times every year to travel back home.
Complain about private jets, put the same people in passenger planes instead and the impact will be fuck dick.
I thought we ended up learning that giant trucks delivering items door to door was actually greener than store chains since it stops millions of people driving around idling at stop lights constantly vs one truck delivering a shit ton of items.
Or… You don’t understand the distinction between stuff you get delivered to your door that comes to your country by plane instead of boat so you can get it ASAP and groceries?
Or… You don’t understand the distinction between stuff you get delivered to your door that comes to your country by plane instead of boat so you can get it ASAP and groceries?
You’re the one who changed the conversation to only talk about the last leg of the journey that’s done by truck. Sure it’s more efficient to get your new pan delivered to your door compared to driving to the store to purchase it, but it’s not more efficient if it had to travel by plane to get to your door from China ASAP instead of traveling by boat.
It’s also a drop in the ocean from the pollution dumped out by farms.
People need to stop obsessing about private planes and Tylor Swift bullshit distractions. If all private jets disappeared tomorrow nothing would change in the fight against climate change.
We absolutely need to keep obsessing over private planes. That’s the privilege of a handful of people with massive repercussions for all of us. It’s not a zero sum game we need to tackle farming, fossil fuels, plastic and food waste, etc. all at once.
1% of emission here and there quickly adds up when you tally it all.
That’s the privilege of a handful of people with massive repercussions for all of us
not really though, as many people in this thread have pointed out. People want to rage against the rich, I get it, but it’s not helpful to abuse climate change as a reason to do so when their money itself is more enough reason.
If they would use their money to solve it, they would have done it by now. Instead, they’re buying medias and broadcast right-wing propaganda. ecology without class struggle is gardening !
And you’re basically fueling inaction. Everyone has a very good reason as to why we shouldn’t take action towards them and then start pointing fingers at their neighbours.
Taking down polluting billionaires, with their mega yachts and their private jets would also topple a good chunk of polluting industries as well. They’re literally at their heads, if you take out the big dude at the top, the rest would definitely follow.
Just go shoot some rich people, you don’t need to make up reasons to do so. Like I said above. You’re angry and want to rationalize your anger when no-one ever asked you to.
Those flying private jets are the role models for many in society. They lead by example, and their example says there is no problem with emissions and convenience is much more important. That’s why this is important. You can do activism as much as you want but if the role models are doing the opposite that activism takes a lot more effort for the same result.
If we ban private jets, the rich will scream and cry and the dummies who see them as role models will learn absolutely nothing from it, they made up their minds anyway that being rich is the goal and anyone who criticizes or limits that lifestyle is a jealous “hater”.
It’s like with Trump supporters, the shittier Trump gets, the more they love him - the more the rich flaunt their lifestyle, the more the dummies look up to them.
It’s not that easy. I hate to say it, but mankind probably needs to go through a total wipeout in order to get rid of the American way of life and all the evil that comes with it, like greed and money as the god above all gods.
total wipeout in order to get rid of the American way of life
Historically looking at other large powers, America and their way of life is set to destroy itself soon enough. Inequality grows and rot away the basis for the economy until the thing slowly collapses in on itself. And that’ll be the end of the American way if life.
Unless those at the top actually change and be the role model they are supposed to be. If they do not, it’ll crash.
It’s not like commoners have much control over those things. If the people in charge can’t make effective change, either by legislation, by businesses practices, or by example, why would anyone else. People look up to Swift and when they see her flying a private jet, they’re less inclined to do their part. And yes, that is a sentiment I’ve heard. I can put solar panels out, I can switch over to biofuels, I can eliminate vacations, casual travel, and combine as much errant driving as possible, but one private flight by one billionaire throws all that out the window.
Fuck there are people I’ve stopped talking to because they’re too old to figure out discord and I’m too young not to see the climate induced apocalypse.
In other news, emissions from private jets still represent barely anything compared to emissions from freight transport of crap people want delivered at their door tomorrow.
Drop in a bucket maybe but it’s for like 0.001% of the population. Which is an insane number per capita at this scale. Magnitudes is one of the biggest things people miss when talking about emissions, one single billionaire pollutes more every single day than thousands average people.
Every single one of us has to make efforts to combat climate change but some a lot more than others.
Scoffing at others who are better off has always been the favourite strategy of middle class polluters shifting responsibility.
“I am living within reasons, look at him.” Says everyone all the way up the economic ladder… 🤭
Why can’t anyone think of the shareholders!..
Also that’s literally the point of my comment. Better off people pollute more so they should make the most effort. It’s pretty simple really.
Comparing fright and person transport seams a bittle apple to oranges. Emission per passenger-kilometer is the only sane way to compare person transport.
Fright should probably be separated into essenstials and luxury, but we all have our yearly footprint.
Ok then, passenger air travel is still releasing a whole lot more emissions than private jets, people stopping to travel all over during their vacations would have a much bigger impact.
There are a lot more people on a regular plane then on a private jet. So emissions per person-kilometer is not higher.
While obviously the total objective number of co2 equivalents will be higher for mass transit then for luxury jets for the super rich. That does not mean they get a free pass because there are fewer of them.
Putting a price on polution, where the poluter have to pay the real global cost, and not outsource that cost to society would be a great thing. But getting all countries in the world to agree to a common scheme seems impossible.
I never said they get a free pass, I said they barely represent anything when looking at air travel as a whole, don’t put words in my mouth.
Also, four people in a Chevy Suburban with a big V8 pollute less to travel the same distance compared to doing it in a passenger plane.
There’s a whole lot of hypocrisy from people who travel the world and complain about pollution… Or simply, people who moved cross country to continue their education when a similar college/university exists much closer to where their family is, meaning they wouldn’t have to take the plane many times every year to travel back home.
Complain about private jets, put the same people in passenger planes instead and the impact will be fuck dick.
I thought we ended up learning that giant trucks delivering items door to door was actually greener than store chains since it stops millions of people driving around idling at stop lights constantly vs one truck delivering a shit ton of items.
https://www.washington.edu/news/2013/04/29/grocery-delivery-service-is-greener-than-driving-to-the-store/
That’s the last leg of the journey, try again.
Well I have this giant pile of sauce here saying that you’re incorrect… Or… Lol.
Or… You don’t understand the distinction between stuff you get delivered to your door that comes to your country by plane instead of boat so you can get it ASAP and groceries?
Lol indeed.
Goalposts: Moved.
My first message is clearly about air traffic and shit people get delivered
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/10627068
You’re the one who changed the conversation to only talk about the last leg of the journey that’s done by truck. Sure it’s more efficient to get your new pan delivered to your door compared to driving to the store to purchase it, but it’s not more efficient if it had to travel by plane to get to your door from China ASAP instead of traveling by boat.
Edit: At least that shut you up :)
We should create boats powered by renewable sources like the wind.
It’s also a drop in the ocean from the pollution dumped out by farms.
People need to stop obsessing about private planes and Tylor Swift bullshit distractions. If all private jets disappeared tomorrow nothing would change in the fight against climate change.
We absolutely need to keep obsessing over private planes. That’s the privilege of a handful of people with massive repercussions for all of us. It’s not a zero sum game we need to tackle farming, fossil fuels, plastic and food waste, etc. all at once.
1% of emission here and there quickly adds up when you tally it all.
not really though, as many people in this thread have pointed out. People want to rage against the rich, I get it, but it’s not helpful to abuse climate change as a reason to do so when their money itself is more enough reason.
If they would use their money to solve it, they would have done it by now. Instead, they’re buying medias and broadcast right-wing propaganda. ecology without class struggle is gardening !
shrug
You’re basically investing your energy into picking weeds in your garden while your house burns down.
Activism and change take effort and it needs to be used wisely.
And you’re basically fueling inaction. Everyone has a very good reason as to why we shouldn’t take action towards them and then start pointing fingers at their neighbours.
Taking down polluting billionaires, with their mega yachts and their private jets would also topple a good chunk of polluting industries as well. They’re literally at their heads, if you take out the big dude at the top, the rest would definitely follow.
Just go shoot some rich people, you don’t need to make up reasons to do so. Like I said above. You’re angry and want to rationalize your anger when no-one ever asked you to.
Those flying private jets are the role models for many in society. They lead by example, and their example says there is no problem with emissions and convenience is much more important. That’s why this is important. You can do activism as much as you want but if the role models are doing the opposite that activism takes a lot more effort for the same result.
If we ban private jets, the rich will scream and cry and the dummies who see them as role models will learn absolutely nothing from it, they made up their minds anyway that being rich is the goal and anyone who criticizes or limits that lifestyle is a jealous “hater”. It’s like with Trump supporters, the shittier Trump gets, the more they love him - the more the rich flaunt their lifestyle, the more the dummies look up to them.
It’s not that easy. I hate to say it, but mankind probably needs to go through a total wipeout in order to get rid of the American way of life and all the evil that comes with it, like greed and money as the god above all gods.
Historically looking at other large powers, America and their way of life is set to destroy itself soon enough. Inequality grows and rot away the basis for the economy until the thing slowly collapses in on itself. And that’ll be the end of the American way if life.
Unless those at the top actually change and be the role model they are supposed to be. If they do not, it’ll crash.
It’s not like commoners have much control over those things. If the people in charge can’t make effective change, either by legislation, by businesses practices, or by example, why would anyone else. People look up to Swift and when they see her flying a private jet, they’re less inclined to do their part. And yes, that is a sentiment I’ve heard. I can put solar panels out, I can switch over to biofuels, I can eliminate vacations, casual travel, and combine as much errant driving as possible, but one private flight by one billionaire throws all that out the window.
Fuck there are people I’ve stopped talking to because they’re too old to figure out discord and I’m too young not to see the climate induced apocalypse.
but but I need an easily identifiable target for my RAGEEE