• nLuLukna @sh.itjust.works
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    Pemdas isn’t as arbitrary as people in this thread think it is.

    I love maths, and I’m going to butcher any attempt to explain why pemdas isnt totally random. But you can look it up if you wanna know more I guess

    Besides no one ever uses that notation - by the time you learn about quadratics, you leave multiplication symbols out of the equation entirely and much of the notation changes shape, with division exclusively being expressed as negative powers or fractions.

    At that point you aren’t going to make mistakes, since each hyperlevel uses a different style of notation. Pemdas is used to teach 4 year olds, and it’s fucking dumb. What happens with a log, or sine function. Don’t even get me started on integrals and derivatives.

    Pemdas is shit, but not because it’s abirtary. In fact it’s shit because it’s a shithole acyromn

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      Pemdas is mostly just factoring, kinda. That’s how you should think of it.

      2x4 is really 2+2+2+2.

      That first 2+(anything else) can’t be acted/operated upon until you’ve resolved more nested operations down to a comparable level.

      That’s it. It’s not arbitrary. It’s not magic. It’s just doing similar actions at the same time in a meaningful way. It’s just factoring the activities.

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        It is, in fact, completely arbitrary. There is no reason why we should read 1+2*3 as 1 + (2*3) instead of (1 + 2) * 3 except that it is conventional and having a covention facilitates communication. No, it has nothing to do with set theory or mathematical foundations. It is literally just a notational convention, and not the only one that is still currently used.

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          Yeah I haven no idea what I was saying when I said that, I’ve edited my comment a bit.

          On that note though using your example I think I can illistarte the point I was trying to make earlier.

          1 + (2*3) by always doing multiplication first we can remove those brackets.

          (1 + 2) * 3 can be rewritten as (1 * 3 )+ (2 * 3) so using the first rule again makes a sense. That is a crappy explaination but I think you get my gist.

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          If you don’t accept adding and subtracting numbers as allowed mathematical transactions, multiplication doesn’t make sense at all. It isn’t arbitrary. It’s fundamental basic accounting.

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            What you just said is at best irrelevant and at worst meaningless. No, the fact that multiplication is defined in terms of addition does not mean that it is required or natural to evaluate multiplication before addition when parsing a mathematical expression. The latter is a purely syntactic convention. It is arbitrary. It isn’t “accounting.”