France has recorded nearly 1,250 antisemitic acts since the attack.
Among the long list of recent antisemitic acts, Paris prosecutors are investigating an incident on October 31, when buildings in the city and suburbs were daubed with dozens of Stars of David.
Anti-semitism is evil and should be eradicated. So is Islamophobia. Both of these are out in full force and neither is justified no matter how you feel about Israel and Palestine. It doesn’t help that you have politicians feeding into these.
I’m strongly opposed to Zionism in its present form, but doesn’t mean anyone can cross the line into anti-Semitism. Also, criticizing Zionism is NOT anti-semitism no matter how often the far right tries to claim otherwise.
I agree wholeheartedly but as an exmuslim would like to state nothing wrong with islamaphobia. Fear and distrust of religion is sensible and necessary for free thought. Muslimphobia which is discrimination against people identifying with the Islamic faith is not ok.
what about the gays in the middle-east? would they be Islamophobic?
Most would be Muslim no matter how little you enjoy that fact.
Muslims beheading muslims, classic~
What about Christians in Israel? Is it OK that they get spit on as they leave church?
What about the Lords Army in Africa, killing people who aren’t Christians?
What about the Sihk militant group in Canada that blew up that plane in the 90s?
What about the Buddhist terrorists?
What about the alien dude in Pikmon tossing them around when he knew some would die?
Shall I keep doing more what-is?
not really my point. pretty sure the gays in the middle-east are terrified of islamic terrorists who want to behead them.
Anti-zionism isn’t the same as anti-semitism.
But the attention and criticism Israel attracts, while other conflicts and far worse governments are largely ignored, does make me raise an eyebrow.
If you treat someone differently because of their race, it’s hard to see how that’s not racist.
If you judge governments differently, based on the main ethnicity of the country they represent, that can also be deeply problematic.
I’m sure people mean well, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. People should be more critical of the media they consume and do their research.
They are being judged harshly because of their repeated lack of empathy and their willingness to commit genocide in broad daylight, as if it was their right. They are being judged harshly because children corpses becomes their main export every few years. It’s getting even more media attention because our governments are funding said genocide. There’s also the David vs Goliath angle, where the Israel gov looks like a grown man mercilessly beating on a child.
To imply they are being framed as the bad guys simply because of racism is so far off the mark it’s laughable.
Since 2014, roughly 400,000 people have died in Yemen. 85,000 of those are Children. France, the UK and the US are involved in that war.
Last time I checked, the death toll for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is something like 40,000 since 1948.
And yet if you go on social or traditional media, you’d think it was the other way around.
The main thing separating both situations is one country has an army of staunch defender ready at a moments notice to hand wave away corpses.
Do you go into the comment section in articles about Yemen and blame the hate and indignation on racism as well? Why not?
Do you go into the comment section in articles about Yemen and blame the hate and indignation on racism as well? Why not?
I’ve never seen an article about Yemen discussed here on the fediverse.
Have you?
That’s because there is nothing to discuss. Everybody agrees its fucking terrible.
Why is there always a debate with Israel. What is debatable about making corpses out of children and keeping prison ghettos? Why are you defending them?
I think it’s important to note that conflict and confrontation is a human drive as natural as eating or sex is, whether it’s for justifiable reasons is another matter
I’m not.
I’m pointing out the Israeli-Palestinian conflict gets a disproportionate amount of attention, compared to comparable or significantly worse conflicts.
That’s because there is nothing to discuss. Everybody agrees its fucking terrible.
Do they?
Is ignoring something a sign someone cares a lot about a subject?
Currently, Israel is killing civilians and children at a higher rate than Yemen. And yemens population is 16 times that of gaza.
It’s not because of their race. It’s because of the geopolitical interest in Israel other countries have.
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If you judge governments differently, based on the main ethnicity of the country they represent, that can also be deeply problematic.
I judge Israel more harshly than some other governments because quite frankly, they are meant to be the good guys. Similarly, I judge my own government harshly
Why are they supposed to be ‘the good guys’?
Why are other middle-eastern countries implicitly considered ‘the bad guys’?
What’s wrong with holding Israel to the same standards as other MENA countries, China, Russia, the US, the world?
Why do some victims matter more than others?
Why do some perpetrators get villified more than others?
Why are they supposed to be ‘the good guys’?
This is an emotional reaction on my behalf, but various reasons - historically Israel was formed as a safe place forfor a horribly oppressed people. Historically, their government managed to maintain a separation between religion and the executive powers - the government weren’t religous radicals. Obviously this has been eroded substantially in recent years. Internally, there was decent equality between the sexes and it was a fairly liberal democracy. BUT yes - they treated the Palestinians horribly - I was pretty shocked by the dehuanisaing attitude I came across when I visited on business aboout 30 years ago.
Why are other middle-eastern countries implicitly considered ‘the bad guys’?
I’m fine with Islam, but I deeply dislike politico-national Islamist ideology. Now some of this is clearly been driven by the appalling way that the Middle East has been treated/exploited by the West - that’s not enough to excuse the way that they treat women, LBQT, atheists. Not pleasant societies to live inWhat’s wrong with holding Israel to the same standards as other MENA countries, China, Russia, the US, the world?
Nothing - I would hope that Israel would hold itself to higher standards that some Islamist countries in terms of liberal society, compassion, adhering to basic human rights
Why do some victims matter more than others?
They don’t
Why do some perpetrators get villified more than others?
You’d have to ask the people doing the villifying.
Antisemitism as in hatred towards Jews or antisemitism as in critique of Israel’s war crimes?
Mostly just in terms of being critical of Israel’s war crimes. I know it’s not the people of Israel’s collective fault - but it does make their country seem bloodthirsty as more Palestinian kids die each day.
Do you consider marking houses of Jews critique of Israel?
Or stabbing a Jewish woman and marking her door with a swastika?It’s a serious question, in my opinion.
Yes, the things you enthusiastically listed are certainly antisemitic.
But other things, like calling Israel racist, is considered antisemitic by the Anti defamation league, even though the Israeli government is extremely racist.
It’s becoming crystal clear just how racist the Israeli government truly is. They have painted their nation in a veneer of slaughtered kids’ blood and by doing so, besmirched every Israeli in the process.
The ADL is a USA based organisation. This article is about France.
The 1,250 anti-Jewish incidents is a number recorded and reported by France. Not the ADL.Here’s another article about reports from different official (French) sources about the current rise of antisemitism in France:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/06/antisemitic-acts-have-exploded-in-france-since-7-october-interior-minister-saysEdit: And btw, the things I listed are specifically things that recently happened in France.
The Israeli government is showing itself to be a hideous cruel monster by any standards. The continued assault on Gaza has persuaded me to join the pro-Palestinian movement and is fostering real feelings of hate toward jews, however execrable that may be.
No? This was a genuine question.
If it’s a genuine question why are you asking it in relation to crimes of bigotry against French Jews?
Okay, maybe I should have read the whole article first to not be insensitive.
Hatred towards Jews.
The quote in the OP is one example.
Aiming to show the party has changed, “We are exactly where we should be” taking part in the march, Le Pen told reporters shortly before it began, calling any objections “petty political quibbles.”
“we have changed…”
Far-right leader Marine Le Pen — who also encountered protesters as she arrived — declared the march should also serve to stand against “Islamic fundamentalism,” a pet theme of her anti-immigrant party
“…our target.”
No score for guessing why Macron didn’t attend 😂
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Hi friend. English is stupid sometimes, but I assure you that the word “antisemitism” refers exclusively to Jews. Again I know it’s counterintuitive, but that’s just how it is. You’ll experience less friction of you just go with it instead of try to convince everyone that the word means something else. Cheers.
And the term computers used to only refer to humans that calculated shit for a living. Language evolves away from vagueness. I support them in pushing for the term to be defined more accurately.
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Holy Fuck. France just co-opted Palestine Independence. I don’t know whether to admire it, or be disgusted.
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So. It’s hard for me to admit, but the more Israel continues to invade and bomb Gaza citizens into oblivion, the more difficult it is for me to refrain from anti-semitism. I’ve long fought against prejudice, but now my horror at Israel and Netenyahu’s incredible inhumanity is fostering feelings of hate toward the entire nation. I can no longer pretend to be “on the sidelines” and neutral. Over 4100 Palestinian kids having their brains blown out by senseless violence is reason enough to justify the feeling of horror toward Israel.
You can be anti-Israel without being anti-Jew.
Yes. Theres plenty of Jewish activitsts blocking Isreali consulates and weapons factories in the West. There is also anti war jews in Israel. There are plenty of bloodthirsty, pro war Christian zionists in the West but the anti Christian narrative isint at play here despite they in our political class supporting this fully.
Promoting antisemitism will just make it harder for those people to meaningfully act in solidairty.
" We don’t think you fight fire with fire best ; we think you fight fire with water best. We’re going to fight racism not with racism, but we’re going to fight with solidarity. "
- Fred Hampton Sr
Nah, Christians in the USA that encourage Israel defending itself are separate from actual Israeli government policy and actions.
Being critical of the Israeli govt ≠ antisemitism. This is a propaganda push by pro Israel people, please do not be fooled.
Well that’s also true. It’s not necessarily antisemitism to be critical of the Israeli government. I think it’s necessary to be critical of Netanyahu for being so unrelenting in his push to erase Gaza from existence.
We’re saying the same thing I think lol. ≠ means not equal to.
Based on your description you are anti semitic but you just repress it.
Well, I often volunteer at congregation Kol Ami here in Salt Lake because I worked from some folks there and I really like it. I enjoyed the people and to be honest, they are very generous and kind. I don’t know if I’m truly anti-semitic. I just know that i can’t support a country that now seems more bloodthirsty than any nation on earth. “Defending ourselves” has turned into “bloody manslaughter just because we have the most weapons.”
Being antisemitic means automatic prejudice against someone because they are Jewish. If you find the actions of Israel abhorrent, but you judge individual Jews individually, depending on their actions and moral positions, without using a double standard against them in comparison with non-Jewish people, you are not antisemitic.
I don’t have prejudice against people for being Jewish. In fact, it’s one of the few prejudices others have, that makes no sense to me at all. I could understand some hatred based on fear of others - in the case of some races, for example, but I’ve never understood how anyone can hate people just for being Jewish. Or for being Muslim, for that matter. Maybe I’m not antisemitic but I’m definitely against Israels continued incursion into Gaza - which is now nothing but a destroyed blasted heath.
Try to make a parallel claim about another ethnicity and it might make it more clear. Eg just because you can be a victim of crime it doesn’t mean you start hating on a specific race.
Regarding the disproportion in strength consider that it’s a complex situation and it’s unreasonable for either party to aspire to expell the other group. I don’t think it’s a good thing but it seems better than the alternative.
That’s probably true. But according to what I’ve been reading (in the AP and newspapers) Gaza has been completely decimated. Even today the news is proclaiming Gaza decimated saying “it’s now just a cemetery for children.” Of course that’s one of the horrible realities of war, but it’s impossible for me to support any of this carnage. No matter which side is gaining, everybody loses.
