• rufus@discuss.tchncs.de
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    8 months ago

    Wow. Thanks. With your summary and the titles alone I can make sense of that manifesto:

    1. Define families properly to include all colours of families. Make them (the people) more important than corporate greed and capitalism. Make sure their children have access to education. And care for them if their parents aren’t well off.

    2. The state has no business dictating people’s reproductive rights, choices in gender issues and religion. Instead they need the state to provide infrastructure to them, healthcare etc to enable them to achieve what they want individually. People need the freedom not to get shot on the streets or at school by some lunatic. And democracy in the USA is broken. Governance by the people needs true choices. Less lobbyism, gerrymandering and childish behaviour in the senate.

    3. Make good choices in a globalized world. Sustainable politics. Trade and be friends with your neighbours and other friendly nations. If you want to be strong, you better have friends and also show them they’re worth something to you.

    4. Freedom and Liberty? That’s a pretty straightforward proclamation to celebrate LGBTQ+ people, women etc as god made them. I’d say that extends to anyone and all the diversity and richness of life. And include welfare programs for the disadvantaged, as God and the founding fathers wanted equal opportunity. And the USA currently only cares for the rich. Contradicting any of Jesus’ teachings.

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      8 months ago

      Sry, I think the innuendo got lost here. I was more holding up a mirror to their double-speak and trying to point out that if you really liked those goals, you’d take a different route. The conclusions these people jumped to, contradict each other and what they’re supposedly achieving.

      I think if they were for families and liberty, they’d do roughly what I said… Making me think that’s not what it’s about. For me they don’t need to come up with wrong reasons to justify it. They could just say ‘we hate people and freedom’ and at least that’d be honest and free of contradictions.

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        8 months ago

        That’s kinda what I thought you were going for at first, but wasn’t sure.

        Either way, that document is full of language that would easily catch a reader thinking it’s all positive rather than manipulative.

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      Did you read the document? Those four goals are all double-speak for taking away rights, dismantling government agencies, promoting christo-fascist ideals, and controlling the American people.

      You literally don’t have to take my work for it, I’ve provided you with the document.

      All of what you said is exactly what the Democrats are trying to do, but getting blocked by Republicans at every turn.

      But I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that authoritarian doublespeak actually works as it has on you. There’s a reason 1984 sometimes feels way too real. You’re not willing to read.

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      8 months ago

      Fuck right off with that Bircher bullshit. We all know “conservatives” lack empathy. Nothing that happens to anyone else matters unless it affects them personally.

      Nevermind, I saw your response.