The point is to transition to a subscription based OS. You subscribe, pay a monthly fee for services like Teams, Outlook, etc.
The LTSC editions probably won’t ship with that bullshit, so it’s probably safe to say that they can still be usable even after completely transitioning to a subscription based OS.
Bully for them, but I don’t use Teams, Outlook, Office365, Onedrive, or Skype anyway. So the only way Microsoft is going to make a dime off of people like me is to charge a subscription for the base OS, which I ain’t paying.
I know what you mean. Likewise, I’ve never paid MS for any of their products (or any other company for that matter, lol 😂). So, if pushing comes to shoving and LTSC still comes with this bullshit, bye bye dual boot 👋 😉.
To be perfectly honest, building software for a fixed set of hardware products is a piece of cake. Doing it for every bit of hardware on this earth, yeah, that is PITA. So, even though I don’t like MS at all, I have to hand it to them in the conpatibility department. Not as backwards compatible as Linux, but they sure are a close second.
Buidling software for an already stable as fuck platform (*BSD) is a lot easier, plus you already know what hardware it’s gonna run on, lol. You cherry pick security/bug fixes and everything else regarding optimizations gets thrown under the carpet… and of course you charge your customers for the security/bug fixes, that’s always a plus 👍.
I reckon the NT kernel is as least as stable as the BSD kernel, perhaps even more so. The team behind the NT kernel architecture is top notch. It’s what’s layered on top of the kernel and what’s plugged into the wide of it by hardware manufacturer drivers that tends to make the OS kind of shit.
This “we make an OS, you guys write the motherboard drivers, you pay a third party to put a signature on it” approach was a choice. Apple has had plenty of third party manufacturers over the years and they forced them to write better drivers and firmware. Ignoring the quality is a choice.
Free operating systems have control over the drivers so they filter out shit code by becoming responsible for maintaining it. That’s why so much Qualcom code isn’t in the Linux kernel, it’s not good enough or it’s not done right.
Microsoft took the easy way out by handing over QC to everyone else. They have programs to validate drivers (WHQL) but then manufacturers will tell you to download the “latest” driver from their website that does all kinds of stupid shit that would never pass WHQL testing, because it’ll give you 5 fps extra.
Apple has made plenty of stupid decisions in their OS (every “I want to switch to macOS” thread is full of $5 tools to add usability features that everyone else has had built in since Windows Vista). I’ve never heard of Apple charging for updates though, they were the ones to start doing the free OS version updates that Windows 10 copied.
MS realized that the way into the future is making the OS a subscription, like Apple did. Yes Apple were first, MS copied. You see something that’s good, you adjust to implement it on your terf.
Regarding the charging for updates part, I don’t actually own a Mac, so it’s just what I’ve read over the years online. I’m sorry if I made a mistake on that part.
You do have a point though about MS passing the ball to the manufacturers regarding the drivers. Still, even with just the native drivers, Windows supports a lot more hardware than MacOS does.
Regarding the NT kernel vs the *BSD one, I just don’t agree. Sure, the team behind it might be top notch, but in my experience the *BSD kernel is more stable. Sure, lack of drivers, smaller user base, but if you manage to get everything running, any of the BSD flavors is rock solid. Sorry, but can’t say the same about the NT kernel.
Exactly. Saying windows is problematic has nothing to do with supporting multiple hardware configurations and everything to do with Microsoft having no empathy for the user experience.
And every OS update tries to dark-pattern trick you into enabling iCloud for all your services. And System Settings constantly nag you about setting up Apple Pay or other Apple services you aren’t using. Apple has less ads, but they still have nagware traps all over the place. They also place the free tier of iCloud just big enough to get you hooked, and just small enough you’ll overflow it sooner than later. For most consumers, paying $2/mon to make the nag go away is easier than finding out why they are running out of storage. Annnd…profit.
The point is to transition to a subscription based OS. You subscribe, pay a monthly fee for services like Teams, Outlook, etc.
The LTSC editions probably won’t ship with that bullshit, so it’s probably safe to say that they can still be usable even after completely transitioning to a subscription based OS.
Bully for them, but I don’t use Teams, Outlook, Office365, Onedrive, or Skype anyway. So the only way Microsoft is going to make a dime off of people like me is to charge a subscription for the base OS, which I ain’t paying.
I know what you mean. Likewise, I’ve never paid MS for any of their products (or any other company for that matter, lol 😂). So, if pushing comes to shoving and LTSC still comes with this bullshit, bye bye dual boot 👋 😉.
Microsoft isn’t looking to make money off of you.
They get the gross of their income from businesses.
Yeah, they want the same thing Apple has with their customers, except Apple has some semblance of quality that Microsoft lacks.
Uuum, no.
To be perfectly honest, building software for a fixed set of hardware products is a piece of cake. Doing it for every bit of hardware on this earth, yeah, that is PITA. So, even though I don’t like MS at all, I have to hand it to them in the conpatibility department. Not as backwards compatible as Linux, but they sure are a close second.
Buidling software for an already stable as fuck platform (*BSD) is a lot easier, plus you already know what hardware it’s gonna run on, lol. You cherry pick security/bug fixes and everything else regarding optimizations gets thrown under the carpet… and of course you charge your customers for the security/bug fixes, that’s always a plus 👍.
I reckon the NT kernel is as least as stable as the BSD kernel, perhaps even more so. The team behind the NT kernel architecture is top notch. It’s what’s layered on top of the kernel and what’s plugged into the wide of it by hardware manufacturer drivers that tends to make the OS kind of shit.
This “we make an OS, you guys write the motherboard drivers, you pay a third party to put a signature on it” approach was a choice. Apple has had plenty of third party manufacturers over the years and they forced them to write better drivers and firmware. Ignoring the quality is a choice.
Free operating systems have control over the drivers so they filter out shit code by becoming responsible for maintaining it. That’s why so much Qualcom code isn’t in the Linux kernel, it’s not good enough or it’s not done right.
Microsoft took the easy way out by handing over QC to everyone else. They have programs to validate drivers (WHQL) but then manufacturers will tell you to download the “latest” driver from their website that does all kinds of stupid shit that would never pass WHQL testing, because it’ll give you 5 fps extra.
Apple has made plenty of stupid decisions in their OS (every “I want to switch to macOS” thread is full of $5 tools to add usability features that everyone else has had built in since Windows Vista). I’ve never heard of Apple charging for updates though, they were the ones to start doing the free OS version updates that Windows 10 copied.
MS realized that the way into the future is making the OS a subscription, like Apple did. Yes Apple were first, MS copied. You see something that’s good, you adjust to implement it on your terf.
Regarding the charging for updates part, I don’t actually own a Mac, so it’s just what I’ve read over the years online. I’m sorry if I made a mistake on that part.
You do have a point though about MS passing the ball to the manufacturers regarding the drivers. Still, even with just the native drivers, Windows supports a lot more hardware than MacOS does.
Regarding the NT kernel vs the *BSD one, I just don’t agree. Sure, the team behind it might be top notch, but in my experience the *BSD kernel is more stable. Sure, lack of drivers, smaller user base, but if you manage to get everything running, any of the BSD flavors is rock solid. Sorry, but can’t say the same about the NT kernel.
Is supporting every bit of hardware on earth why Linux shows ads everywhere?
I run Linux daily, I’ve never seen an ad (unless it was in a browser).
Exactly. Saying windows is problematic has nothing to do with supporting multiple hardware configurations and everything to do with Microsoft having no empathy for the user experience.
Yeah, agreed, you have a point there 👍.
I mean the hardware can be pricy but there’s basically none of this in macOS.
Don’t apple products require you to sign in with an apple id to use them together?
And every OS update tries to dark-pattern trick you into enabling iCloud for all your services. And System Settings constantly nag you about setting up Apple Pay or other Apple services you aren’t using. Apple has less ads, but they still have nagware traps all over the place. They also place the free tier of iCloud just big enough to get you hooked, and just small enough you’ll overflow it sooner than later. For most consumers, paying $2/mon to make the nag go away is easier than finding out why they are running out of storage. Annnd…profit.
I suppose if you want to use their cloud features.
But I mean they don’t plaster nags and ads over core OS features.
I’m not necessarily advocating buying Macs but the OS itself is experiencing less enshittification.
Aren’t LTSC a pain to get (legally) when you’re not a corporation or something like that?
Yeah, they are. Which doesn’t stop you from pirating them. I use them on all my rigs IF I had to to use Windows.