• Gluten6970@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    You forget that dems vote against it as well: Kyrsten Sinema, Joe Manchin, Jeanne Shaheen, Maggie Hassan, Jon Tester, Tom Carper, Chris Coons, Angus King…

    You also forget that a $15/hour minimum wage isn’t even a living wage in current year and that’s what they voted against. Both sides fight for billionaires, stop deluding yourself.

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      8 months ago

      Ah the DINOs. Well two are out at least.

      Both sides fight for billionaires, stop deluding yourself.

      Nobody’s deluding themselves. I’m pretty sure we all know full well that both sides fight for billionaires, it’s a question of degree and that degree matters. Is $15/hr more or less than $7.25/hr?

      IOW, it’s a start… it’s progress. I get that the progress is frustratingly slow. But once you have $15/hr you can keep incrementing it, especially at the state level.

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        8 months ago

        Is $15/hr more or less than $7.25/hr?

        Considering the former ain’t fucking happening because Democrats voted with Republicans, your question is irrelevant.

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          Considering the former ain’t fucking happening because Democrats voted with Republicans, your question is irrelevant.

          Which bill are you referring to precisely? The Raise the Wage Act of 2019 was passed by the House but not taken up by the Senate, which at the time had an R majority. The 2021 “American Rescue Plan” bill had an amendment added by Sanders to raise the FMW to $15 but this was removed because it wouldn’t have passed otherwise. An important distinction here is that a number of the 8 democrats who voted to remove the amendment were doing so so that the pandemic relief part could pass. Their various reasons are outlined here. The amendment was a bit of a hail mary that few expected to even make it for purely procedural reasons. So this was a compromise… it wasn’t saying “we democrats don’t want a FMW increase”. There are a couple of DINOs that think that, sure, but two of them are going away.

          There are other options here, such as HR 603 (2021-22) which hasn’t been taken up yet. Some dems oppose this because it takes too long to get to $15/hr. But of course we need a house majority to make any progress on that.

          And notably, Biden via EO raised the minimum wage for federal workers to $15/hr.

          The fight isn’t over. But if anything this just underlines the need for stronger majorities. Throwing up your hands and giving in because it didn’t happen right away is, well, not helpful.

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            8 months ago

            The 2021 “American Rescue Plan” bill had an amendment added by Sanders to raise the FMW to $15 but this was removed because it wouldn’t have passed otherwise.

            Because one unelected bureaucrat said so.

            Their various reasons are outlined here.

            Count the republican talking points about the minimum wage in that link.

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            8 months ago

            It’s always some technicality or detail that forms a se master plan. No, they voted to remove it unlike everyone else.

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              8 months ago

              You don’t understand how the American political system works. Full stop.

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                You don’t understand how we stop living under the whims of a broken system. By fixating these details completely divorced from the actual helping of others you are prepetuating that those details matter. You are lost and you have no idea what matters.

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                  You don’t understand how we stop living under the whims of a broken system.

                  Enlighten me.

                  You are lost and you have no idea what matters.

                  No really, educate me.

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                    You have to choose to find the minutia of the system moot and engage in it’s rejection by communicating that to others. By justifying actions that caused harm you give the system legitimacy. This really isn’t that hard or weird.

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                8 months ago

                I understand people are suffering because there are always enough votes against workers.

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                  I understand people are suffering because there are always enough votes against workers.

                  This is true. But is this where your understand of the American political system begins and ends?

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                    This is true.

                    Glad to see someone admit that Republicans and Democrats work together to screw people who work for a living.

                    But is this where your understand of the American political system begins and ends?

                    No, just glad to see someone finally fucking admit that Democrats have no intention whatsoever of helping workers, regardless of the lies they tell to get elected.