• kamen@lemmy.world
    323·
    1 year ago

    IMO it’s not even a Windows vs GNU/Linux debate (although yeah, maybe more of the users of the latter would be familiar with the CLI), it’s about using the right tool for the job. Image or video editing? Good luck even starting to do anything without a mouse. Installing something? Yup, even on Windows I’d prefer doing scoop install foobar2000 instead of opening a store app or a website.

    • slampisko@czech-lemmy.eu
      6·
      1 year ago

      I used to use Chocolatey on Windows and briefly tried scoop but now I prefer winget. I dunno, it feels… More official? :)

      • joyjoy@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 year ago

        I made the mistake of installing powershell using the Microsoft store. Now Winget refuses to update it. I have to open the store to do it.

  • MossBear@lemmy.world
    241·
    1 year ago

    I use CLI daily for git and nano, but it’s far from necessary for the average user. I’m not sure why some people want to propagate the idea that Linux is hard when it’s just a little different than what most people are used to.

      • Rodeo@lemmy.ca
        31·
        1 year ago

        My brother used to constantly try to tell me this. I don’t know how many times I had to compare number of keystrokes to number of clicks before he finally admitted GUI programs are easier even if you already know exactly what you’re doing.

        • IDatedSuccubi@lemmy.world
          5·
          1 year ago

          It very highly depends on the application

          For something used daily that’s more or less true

          For something that needs very complex configuration like specific ffmpeg transcoding rules and cmake build files - you’d have menus that are 5-10 pages long and full of super detailed selections and forms, while in reality you’d only want to switch on or off one thing, so it would be easier just to write the command

          When I made my small game engine I had a second window full of settings that I could change dymamicaly. After like 2 months of work it was so full of settings it was very hard to navigate even with all subdivisions and layouts properly made

          Also, GUI apps often lack specific or new settings for the terminal app they’re built on

  • Graphine@lemmy.world
    19·
    1 year ago

    I swear it feels like for a lot of the things I do on Linux there’s a GUI app for it, but then if I wanna do something as basic as adjust my fan speed I gotta use the freaking terminal.

    Like it’s always at the worst possible time.

    Edit: I’ve installed a distro on my gaming PC that I really liked, used it on my laptop. Sensors and fans were fully supported. Did not work at all on my PC so I told it to fuck off. It’s just too much of a pain to set up.

    • SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      6·
      1 year ago

      There’s coreCTRL for AMD and apparently nvidia-setting for Nvidia?

      AMD GPUs got more tools due to them being open source, while Nvidia’s isn’t and you are beholden to Nvidia bothering to implement support, which they often don’t.

      Also, idk if I would call fan curves that basic, haha. For the vast majority the default curve is sufficient.

    • Dnn@lemmy.world
      61·
      1 year ago

      Not sure if you’re being sarcastic or serious. I’ve been using computers for decades and not once adjusted fan speeds, so that function doesn’t seem very basic to me.

      • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz
        7·
        1 year ago

        When building a system yourself, setting up a custom curve is how you get the best balance between cooling and noise.

        I try to choose motherboards that support doing that in the bios, so I never have to worry about it on the OS level.

      • zelifcam@lemmy.worldEnglish
        51·
        1 year ago

        I’ve noticed over the years a LOT of Linux users do no have their system sensors / CPUs setup properly. Mostly missing fan information, missing / incorrect sensors and most importantly improper AMD CPU PSTATE and governors. For example, the past few years I’ve had to ensure I had correct kernel drivers and boot kernels parameters for my AMD 5950x to properly use the correct governor and idle at 500mhz and for correct sensor information and control for my viii dark hero MB.

        • tetra@feddit.deEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          With kernel 6.5+, the default is now amd_pstate=active for Zen systems.

          I recommend amd_pstate=guided for 6.4+ though as at least on my machine, this seems to yield the best performance/energy trade-off.

        • SteveTech@programming.devEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          Thanks for this, I was wondering why Linux was using more power (on my UPS) compared to Windows.

          I just added amd_pstate=passive to grub and it brought it down ~15 watts, there’s other options but I believe they require kernel 6.3 or higher. More info here.

          Also I was using this before but for other people, if your it87 based sensors aren’t showing up, frankcrawford maintains an updated it87 module.

    • Pastor Haggis@lemmy.world
      2·
      1 year ago

      This is part of the reason I haven’t gone back to Linux for my gaming PC. I had zero desire to try to set a fan curve in the terminal.

        • LonelyWendigo@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 year ago

          Another thing that’s satisfying is having a machine that knows when it needs to turn on the fan and never needing my input, which would be pretty ignorant on the subject anyway.

    • denast@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 year ago

      I think it’s a matter of habit, really. After using a somewhat minimal Arch install with a WM instead of DE, I get frustrated when an app doesn’t have a CLI version, using GUI now feels less comfy almost

    • MajorHavoc@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 year ago

      I feel that in my bones.

      If I need to do something obscure, like organize your Magic: The Gathering card collection by artist, there’s a GUI on Linux for that.

      But if I want to adjust my monitor, I better break out the CLI!

    • Hydroel@lemmy.world
      122·
      1 year ago

      Exactly! Takes so much of the pain away. And you know what would be really useful? If those scripts were accessible easily through simple buttons or sliders on which you could click, or something like along those lines.

      • croobat@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 year ago

        For basic functionality I agree, but I don’t think any dev would put the time and effort to implement buttons (much less pipe into another totally different software) for my extremely specific use cases. In the command line I’m presented with a toolset where I can do so myself.

  • Spooner@lemmy.world
    15·
    1 year ago

    As a Windows Infrastructure admin, I love this one… and some of the responses. Perfect.

    /crys in PowerShell

    • WagnasT@iusearchlinux.fyi
      2·
      1 year ago

      powershell is pretty great for windows tbh. I use arch and i love python and shell scripts but on windows powershell gets shit done. PS is great for vmware too. There’s a lot of ‘microsoft bad’ that i agree with but powershell is not one of them.

  • redcalcium@c.calciumlabs.com
    161·
    1 year ago

    Who need GUI apps when you can do these things on CLI:

    • view image: imcat my-image.png
    • watch video, even YouTube: mpv --vo=tct "https://youtube.com/watch?v=BBJa32lCaaY"
    • browse the web using modern Firefox engine: browsh
    • listen to your Spotify playlists: spt play --name "Your Playlist" --playlist --random

    and perhaps many more I’m not currently aware of…

    • imben@lemmy.world
      218·
      1 year ago

      While this is not a serious post I’m going to take it seriously, so here are some of the reasons:

      Nobody can easily remember the precise file name and if you don’t get the first letters right you’re screwed(did I mention capital letters matter?)

      Wtf is --vo=tct? No sane person is remembering all of that (same goes for the rest 10000 parameters and options)

      Again, waaayyy too many parameters, who remembers their playlist name? There is no autocomplete here, you’re on your sad own in your sad little room with your sad little feelings, because there’s no one there to tell you the song’s precise name, because computers are assholes and don’t hate you.

      So why GUIs? Because they make computers seem like friendly fellas which actually care about you and give you options, tell you the available functions(without deciphering a 50 pages manual if done well)

      • sanpo@sopuli.xyz
        187·
        1 year ago

        If you take it seriously, then at least your complaints should be reasonable, not meme-worthy.

        Autocomplete is a standard feature in CLI nowadays, so no need to remember everything.
        And parameters usually have names chosen to make the most sense and to be memorable (e.g. vo = video output).

        • propaganja@lemmy.world
          113·
          1 year ago

          Serious person here.

          Can autocomplete fill in a YouTube URL or Spotify playlist name? Can I browse the list of what’s available and filter, drill down, poke around according to my whimsy?

          Or if I’m accessing a local file, how do I find that one video of my cat named VID-004326.MP4?

          Can I autocomplete the parameters themselves, which are betimes lengthy and unwieldy to type out?

          Even if it’s possible, and I’ve mastered every arcane parameter necessary to do it, is it really faster / more convenient than doing it through a GUI?

          Maybe there are good answers to the above questions—I don’t know and would love to find out—but they and many more like them are surely reasonable and far from meme-worthy, or else I’m missing something huge.

          • sanpo@sopuli.xyz
            63·
            1 year ago

            In which situation would you need an autocomplete for YT URL? Online-only services designed for a web browser are crappy examples.
            But anyway, yes, Spotify clients written for CLI do provide autocomplete and filters. I never tried YT, so I don’t know.

            Or if I’m accessing a local file, how do I find that one video of my cat named VID-004326.MP4?

            And how do you do that using GUI? The exact same way, looking blindly and playing random videos (or name the file properly in the first place).

            Can I autocomplete the parameters themselves, which are betimes lengthy and unwieldy to type out?

            Obviously, yes, that’s pretty much the entire point.

            Even if it’s possible, and I’ve mastered every arcane parameter necessary to do it, is it really faster / more convenient than doing it through a GUI?

            That mostly depends on the user, but often: yes, it is. Otherwise we’d all have moved on from CLI ages ago.

            Please don’t take this as a personal attack, but assuming CLI is some unwieldy, outdated idea requiring mysterious arcane knowledge to use effectively only shows ignorance.
            It also hurts new users, because it discourages them from trying it for bad reasons.

            • AnonStoleMyPants@sopuli.xyz
              3·
              1 year ago

              The main annoyance with CLI is that it is not nearly as easy to discover things with it. With a gui you can just click through each setting and see what is what. With CLI you can’t really, you gotta read the manual which definitely can be cumbersome. And even if the commands do try to make sense it is still very common to forget the abbreviation unless you use it often (or write it down). At least I do. I use git semi occasionally and keep forgetting amend.

              I like CLI. But it does have its shortcomings.

            • flop@lemmy.fmhy.ml
              31·
              1 year ago

              And how do you do that using GUI? The exact same way, looking blindly and playing random videos (or name the file properly in the first place).

              Thumbnails? Or maybe searching through find, which is not as straight forward as something like search in dolphin.

              Also “name the file properly in the first place” is such an off putting mentality. I want my computer to simplify work by doing things for me, not need to properly catalog every random video because of the failures of my UI.

              • AustralianSimon@lemmy.world
                2·
                1 year ago

                Name the file properly, say that to a photographer with 3 cameras and an auto export. This is what thumbs and a gui are built for.

                • BURN@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  1 year ago

                  Same. When I’m importing 10-15k photos from a 3 day trip (motorsports photography) there’s no way to name all of them effectively. A GUI is a requirement for photo management imo.

    • linearchaos@lemmy.world
      0·
      1 year ago

      Imcat is awesome, Debian and had a news reader with the same name.

      MPV refuses to play any YouTube for me I suspect it has something to do with their new restrictions on YouTube DL.

      Browsh looks absolutely magnificent until I actually try to use it, It seems like submitting form pages or maybe JavaScript is broken

      • redcalcium@c.calciumlabs.com
        2·
        1 year ago

        You’ can try installing yt-dlp. That one is still actively maintained. YouTube also actively trying to broke it, so the one available in debian repo might be out of date.

        • linearchaos@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 year ago

          looks like it is using DLP backend, didn’t read the whole error

          [ytdl_hook] ERROR: [youtube] BBJa32lCaaY: Unable to extract uploader id; please report this issue on  https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues?q= , filling out the appropriate issue template. Confirm you are on the latest version using  yt-dlp -U
[ytdl_hook] youtube-dl failed: unexpected error occurred
Failed to recognize file format.

          Let’s hope youtube hasn’t finally ground the project permanently

          • flop@lemmy.fmhy.ml
            2·
            1 year ago

            At the risk of being a ‘works for me’ guy, I tried downloading and playing a couple random videos and it worked on version 2023.07.06. So hopefully yt-dlp is alive and kicking!

  • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
    189·
    1 year ago

    Hello noobs! I’ll let you in on a secret. Pros use command line interface (CLI) both on Linux and on Windows for a lot of tasks. You know why? Because it’s easier. Be like the pros, choose the easy path, use CLI!

    • boeman@lemmy.world
      4·
      1 year ago

      I use Bash and PowerShell often, and I’m fairly proficient in both. I also use a GUI in both Linux and windows as well.

      Although, I might just be insane.

      • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
        1·
        1 year ago

        Same here. I didn’t imply that we only use CLI. Simply that for a lot of tasks CLIs are easier than GUIs. And therefore the CLI aversion is something to shed. The reverse is also true for other tasks too. Windows has historically put many tasks easier achieved via CLI behind a GUI. You wouldn’t see me dead playing videos via CLI. I’d launch Plex, search and play instead. 🥲

    • DubiousInterests@lemmy.fmhy.ml
      41·
      1 year ago

      Also if you meet a pro they will be happy to walk you through the GUI (if available) or CLI depending on what you feel comfortable with.

      • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
        4·
        1 year ago

        Depending on the time availability of that pro. Sometimes I have the time to tailor to the needy’s sensibilities. Other times all I can do spit out what I have whether it’s GUI or CLI, take it or leave it.

  • KSP Atlas@sopuli.xyz
    7·
    1 year ago

    I used to be a user that was all about the terminal, but then i realized that gui apps have advantages

  • randon31415@lemmy.world
    71·
    1 year ago

    Forget gui, I just want to git clone something and then type the name of the application I cloned into a command and have it run. None of this infinite searching for dependencies that didn’t get installed with the initial run dependency installer.