So you think school therapists aren’t good enough? Yet you think the teachers know more about how it will affect the student? Which is it, are the schools competent or not?

Limited in scope as in limited capacity. All public therapists are. The Queue to be put onto an NHS therapist’s list is years long.

I do think the schools therapist is a good outlet, but a schools therapist can’t do much to solve accidental disclosures. The moment a teacher eavesdrops on the student talking about it outside a therapy, it’s still game over for them.

What are you on about??

The whole point of what I said is that I think the teachers and school system are competent enough to assess whether revealing this information could endanger a child, and should use that foresight to prevent abuse as part of their safeguarding duties.

0 difference. Cops can’t arrests my spouse because they assume that she might one day abuse me.

First off, I was never on about arresting anybody.

Secondly, if you had reasonable suspicion to think that your wife might abuse you or kick out of the house based on something about you that has almost no almost no effect on her, then I don’t think you’d appreciate it if your friends went behind you back an told her, thereby endangering you, would you?

Instead of encouraging lying to parents, why not try to improve abuse and homeless programs? Why don’t you advertise them in school? Giant posters “do you think you’re being abuse? Talk to a school counselor to get information on resources”

The fundemental gap between us rears it’s ugly head again. You’re willing to let it get to the point of abuse before you help out, I’m not.

Improve those programs to help people who can’t avoid that scenario, but there is still a responsibility to prevent that scenario from occurring. You’re not a very good safeguarder if not only do you not react until the damage is already done, but you bring it about in the first place.

Boom. This is fucking easy dude. You just want excuses for government employees to override the parenting of parents, without any evidence besides a teachers subjective observations and rash conclusions.

I’ll put it this way, I’d rather have false positives in the face of defending children, than assume every parent is good and turn the other cheek to the abuse that could and would cause.

Besides which, could abusive parents not make the same argument of the services meant to stop them?

What if it makes it better? A kid that’s questioning gender have much higher suicide rates, what if the teacher withholds this information, and the kid commits suicide. That’s on the teacher, is that what you want? Parents have that responsibility, not teachers. You want teachers to have the say, without any of the repercussions.

On the Venn diagram of parents who a school may view as candidates to abuse their children over this if made aware of this information, and parents that would help guide their children through this process, I suspect the overlap to be minute.

Once again, that’s not their duty. Their duty is educate the children how the people in the state and district desire.

Yet again, it is. The fact that this law undermines that safeguarding duty by potentially putting teachers into a situation where they are legally required to enable abuse is abhorrent.

It us their duty to report concerns to the school, who should then make the decision whether it is safe to tell the parents. Teachers should not be given that burden of being put into a situation where they have to potential enable abuse.

You have this impression that government agents should be the ones determining the culture of the future. Paired with the government forcing us to give them our children for 8 hours a day 5 days a week or else they take our children from us.That’s inherently dangerous and anti-liberal.

I’m not suggesting they should be determining the culture of the future. But teachers are there to encourage students to pursue their passions, and also to create a safe environment where that can be done.

If that includes allowing a student to show a part of their persona that they cannot show at home, for as long as it is not endangering others at the school, then the strong arm of the law shouldn’t be striking it down.

The fact that you want the government to intervene to take that away from teachers screams far more dangerous and anti-liberal to me, just saying

Also, I’m just about done with this argument, so this will be my last reply on this topic. Feel free to slander me as you like in your next reply.