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Enshittification spares no one.
Happens when you don’t have competition. (Except to steam seemingly)
The difference is that Valve is privately owned. They don’t have to please a board of shareholders who want to see the platform milked for the slightest increase in profit margins.
Bingo. Enshittification is mostly confined to companies that have gone public or whose sole aspiration is to do so quickly.
It shifts responsibility from satisfying customers/users to satisfying shareholders (who are never satisfied).
You can build the perfect product and ride a gravy train as a private company in relative perpetuity. As a corporation, you’re just going to strive for perpetually increasing profits on a quarterly basis with no real care or focus past that
We need more companies like that, then.
For that you need passionate people who are wealthy and not primarily driven to acquire more wealth. That seems to be very rare in large scale businesses.
It isn’t wealth that breaks or makes it. The system, and in this case the shareholding system makes it or breaks it. Valve owner Gabe is insanely rich (in the billions I assume) yet, because the system he put up, it is consumer friendly.
The system is the one, not the people.
Yes, the problem is when shareholders only want profit at any cost. These are the wealthy people I was talking about.
I mean, the other thing that’s kind of stupid is - lets say a companies stock once issued goes to 0 and is delisted. So what? That’s not the company going bankrupt. The stock market valuation has no direct application to a company once the shares are issued and bought the first time. But ignoring shareholder demands that would destroy the company wouldn’t likely tank the stock of a otherwise good company - because there’s someone out there who just wants value to hold and preferably dividends vs infinite growth (that doesn’t exist). Now, you could buy enough stock to throw out the CEO and whatever, but that’s likely to be expensive and a PITA. So while there’s going to be some high profile examples, A) that gets close to taking a company private anyway, and doing a shitty job and B) generally limited numbers of companies will have people going to these lengths.
I think the bigger issue isn’t wanting companies to be profitable - that’s kind of the point of companies. The issue is shareholders trying to make capital gains on everything. This isn’t possible long term because infinite growth isn’t possible. I would argue what people and decent investors should want is the steady dividends and not worry about if the stock is up or down.
I’d have to think Newell has a lot more skin in the game or passion for his platform. He actually believes in the business and what they do, instead of just viewing it as a way to make money
So you’re telling me that I can generate stable revenue if I work on my product and try to satisfy customers? Sounds kinda radical… who do we even screw over to get the money??
Steam has some competition, its just that said competition never took off because Steam is so much better.
(Except to steam seemingly)
For now. I’m curious what’ll happen when Gabe eventually retires.
We also can’t ignore the fact that the Steam Marketplace is a hellhole and the origin of a lot of today’s microtransaction hell.
If you buy all your games on one platform then you’re thoroughly fucked if it turns heel.
We all know the answer to this. There will be a hundred threads with thousands of comments with people saying it’s not bad, the company promised x and y and we should be cautiously optimistic, but in the end it always ends the same way.
Exactly the same thing happens with IBM buying Red Hat. No shortage of articles talking about how this will be good for Red Hat and the entire open source community but of course last month they started the enshitification process that will now March on relentlessly. Even now there are defenders of red hat, talking about how it’s not that bad and there are workarounds, but in the end they fail to see this is just the first step.
Once started on this path, the rule is always enshitification, any exceptions are exceedingly rare. If steam ever gets bought/sold it will follow the same path and it’s defenders will stay by its side until it looks like the screen shot above.
I agree. As much as I like what Valve is doing and currently trust them, I prioritize buying games on GOG and keeping archives of the installers.
The point still stands though, you can easily filter out anything you don’t want to see.
But I doubt the same would apply if it was owned by shareholders.
A future change in leadership could very easily lead to it going public and then all the regular bullshit follows. Don’t just assume it’ll always be great; always be ready to jump ship.
I get worried with the amount of gamers who want Steam to be a monopoly. The existence of competition seems to upset some people and it’s really odd.
A future change in leadership could very easily lead to it going public and then all the regular bullshit follows. Don’t just assume it’ll always be great; always be ready to jump ship.
Ok, but what has that anything to do with what I said?
Only really the first part of my comment. I ended up on a rambling tangent for most of it.
“the play store is shit now!”
The play store was always shit.
Sure it does, but only those who have a zero-tolerance policy against using proprietary software. In the long run, Free Software is the only kind that can be relied upon not to betray you.
I agree, free software is the only thing that’s sure to not get worse over time. I took way too long to realize, now I have a shitload of stuff to migrate. I already ditched microsoft, but that google account is a real bitch to replace.
A single row of ads would be ok, but having this many plus an ad showing up first, where the search results should be… Oof
No it wouldn’t. Phones aren’t cheap.
They can be. I bought a Galaxy s22 with a broken screen for $150, and my carrier just gave me an $1100 credit for it on a new iphone. I don’t need an iPhone, and I will be selling it to get yet another cheap phone and pocketing the money, but it goes to show just how much phones do not cost to the people producing them
Dam that’s a hilarious life hack lol.
I’m on a 12 Pro with no intentions of upgrading but when I go to I’m gonna try and find a new broken flagship to turn in too lmao.
The Android licence is free and the Play Store infrastructure has to support tens of millions of devices.
I’m not saying this is an acceptable level, but Samsung ain’t putting a dollar toward Google running the store, in fact, they’d much prefer to run and maintain their own.
That’s not true. Phone manufacturers need to pay if they want to include Google Play in their devices, it’s not free. It can cost as much as $40 per device.
Thanks for the correction, I was unaware
I guess hoovering up all your data ain’t enough.
I don’t even get why having the store on more devices is supposed to “cost” google anything.
It’s a store. They get a cut from every transaction. Why wouldn’t they want it to be on everything?
I don’t think ads showing something related to what I’m looking for are bad in and if themselves. I want to find related content, the problem is that these are often not in any way related to what I’m looking for. It’s just a list of who paid to be listed there.
The Samsung Galaxy Store is even fucking worse. I’ve noticed that tiktok is literally shoved in my face on every single platform. It’s always the very first one when I open the store. Be it windows, android or the Galaxy store. Not sure about Apple’s apps store, but it is ridiculous. On the windows store, they put it under the “essentials” category. Lmao Glad I have Linux on my main computer, though. No ads or bullshit, your computer is truly yours.
Linux is great! It’s such a zen environment.
Apple’s App Store has some ads. In my experience the first search result is always an ad, and every now and then the Today list features an ad. Not sure how much the normal data/results are skewed. It’s a store so you have to expect some kinda marketing tricks to sell you more. They tend to feature popular stuff.
It’s nowhere near as abhorrent as the post here.
I haven’t run into TikTok unless it has been featured or if it is the top result in the popular (free) apps chart. I wouldn’t dare searching for it 😆
i dont even touch the galaxy store unless i absolutely have to, something about it just feels so… off?
There are a handful of customisation apps that are only available through the Galaxy store. The ones I use are all Samsung official apps, but the poorly written descriptions on the install pages definitely make me uncomfortable.
It’s like they only intended the apps for their Korean users, and ran the text through Google translate for the English versions.
It has that spammy feeling to it. That’s what’s off about it. I have never downloaded a single thing from it
On the App Store, it’s also under the “essentials” section. The “Must-have iPhone apps”. Lmfao. I hate that state of technology in 2023. Burn it all down.
What would you expect the algorithm to be if not to recommend the apps installed and used the most on their platform?
I don’t use TikTok or FB, but it’s hard to blame them for suggesting apps that they have concrete usage data on saying they are the most used.
One word: F-Droid! I’m literally only searching there for Apps first, often I find it. Send them some love, if you can afford it! Wouldn’t know how to watch YouTube anymore without New Pipe and stuff, listening to music via ViMusic, all ad-free. https://f-droid.org/en/
Is there an easy way to see which of my installed apps are available through f-droid? Or do I need to search for each one manually.
I’d also like to know that.
I run /e/OS with a custom app store, App Lounge. It combines F-Droid and the Play Store via Aurora. It even embeds Exodus Privacy Ratings and is simply awesome. You can even log in with your Google account and download paid apps that way. Pretty neat.
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i just discover ViMusic thanks to your comment, i love it!! thank you for mentioning it!!!
I discovered ViMusic a while ago but Youtube music keeps cencoring the songs I like so I will probably seitch back to mp3’s soon, cool app tho!
If you do, check out plexamp.
You can self host a small Plex server on a raspberry pi and store all the music there. Play via plexamp and Plex does all the metadata for you
That sounds awesome!
Use jellyfin instead, its FOSS and amazing.
The eternal debate, Jellyfin vs. Plex 😀
I tried both, i prefer Plex (also because my TV doesn’t have a Jellyfin App and i don’t want to have another mini-PC just to play Jellyfin on my TV)
Saved this comment, thank you!
laughs in F-Droid
I am so glad F-Droid exists. For the apps I need that aren’t there (Steam and Blizzard authenticator for 2FA) Aurora has been a godsend
Alright, help me out. I had fdroid before but changed phones. What do I need to do to get fdroid nowadays?
You can go to their official website and download it - https://f-droid.org/
Personally I prefer to use fdroid through Droid-ify.
Thanks, I will give that a whirl. I remember about having to change some kind of setting - third party apps?
(I could probably figure this out through some searching but I also want this for people who have no idea where to start.)
You need to install it?
It won’t carry over because it’s not a local play app but you should be able to install it the same way you did on your old phone.
I’m trying to document this for others who have no idea where to start when installing things not in the play store.
Thanks to Lemmy, my phone went full FOSS. Always go full FOSS.
It’s great that you can’t unlock the bootloader to install graphene on carrier bought devices 👍
In Canada, carriers are required to only sell unlocked phones for the past several years.
If I understand correctly, carrier locking is different from Bootloader locking. One implies freedom to use the device on any provider network, while the other is for installing a custom ROM. A Samsung flagship can be bought unlocked by paying full price, but you cannot unlock the bootloader and install Graphene, for instance.
The Exynos variants of Samsung devices can have their bootloader unlocked, it’s the snapdragon ones that can’t and even then there are some instances where it was possible to do it, but it’s still a hassle and the Exynos variants tend not to have good development support.
Samsung has been good about that in the past. Motorola on the other hand I remember there being a bounty for the keys so they could run alternate roms.
Luckily, in 'murica, corporations can freak you over however they like 😎
Can unlock it on my machine 😎
Or samsung devices
Can’t on a pixel because this phone is carrier locked.
Right but Samsung devices once you unlock the bootloader you loose Knox (which is pretty awesome IMO) and the only way to get it back is to replace the motherboard on the device… at least on my S23 ultra. As for the carrier lock, we’ll once you finish paying for the phone you can unlock the phone right? Also, if you buy the phone from Google it’s not carrier locked and you get the same finance options as the carriers
Luckily I only have F-Droid on mine.
What, no love for the Ad Store?
This ad has features you may not like
“Thanks for the F-Droid”
- Dirty Mike and the Boys
F-Droid for the main stuff, Aurora Store when I’m feeling dirty.
it got worse and worse over the last 1-2 years. this days you can’t even open an app description page on desktop anymore. you search for the name…and you can’t click on the app listing. it just gives you the option to install on your phone but not to read the store page. you only get to it by searching on Google for it. and the mobile app is like you said shit too. often you can’t even find an app and get random ads for other shitty apps.
Just leaving this here: Aurora Store
Aside of the lack of ads, I now depend on Aurora Store for batch app updates because the cocksuckers at Google Play have allowed devs to force app version updates even when you have disabled automatic updates for that specific app.
How do you deal with waiting for and then pressing “Install” for every app? It’s so tedious. Is there no way without root?
IDK… I root all of my devices ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That’s pretty gigachad, but I’m scared to because it voids the warranty :(
Agree, there’s a risk even if you don’t break anything.
Ok this is actually pretty cool. So I gave this a try and what I found in the first few mins of using it:
- you can login anonymously or with your own Google account (anonymous logs you into one of their shared Gmail accounts which personally I don’t like the idea of)
- it manages all existing apps too, so you can use it as a drop in replacement for the play store.
- Updates aren’t as well, there doesn’t appear to be a background update option as android requires you to confirm if you wish to install the update for each app.
Overall solid app. I don’t spend a lot of time in the PlayStore so the ads themselves don’t bother me. The moment though I begin getting pop up ads / notifications I’ll be jumping to this full time though
Just be careful when using your own google account on Aurora Store. There are reports of people getting their account banned by google. Do not use an important google account there.
Another cool feature is you can spoof your device’s name. This can allow you to install apps that daddy Google does not approve of for your device.
Um … can I sign in with my google account?It appears that I can, wonderful.
What is the difference with F-Droid?
F-Droid has special FOSS Apps only. Aurora Store delivers the same Apps like Play Store.
It’s an alternative client to the Play Store. It does not access F-Droid repos.
Others answered you, but aurora also has an F-Droid replacement called Aurora Droid.
Aurora store is basically anonymous access to the official Google Play store.
You can download any app because unlike the Google Play store Aurora doesn’t send your phones hardware ID, so if for example your phone is rooted you can get the Disney Plus app anyway.
Fdroid is an alternate app store. They have different things than the Google Play store. They respect your privacy and will let you download any app that is ever been uploaded to them, Even old versions of an app.
I mean, it’s Google. What did you expect? Android is free because having it on a ton of cheap phones helps Google collect data and sell ads.
Side-rant:
Apple’s got plenty of problems and anti-consumer behavior, too, don’t get me wrong… but it’s incredible how far they’re able to enforce privacy, down to the hardware level, while still giving devs almost the same level of control over OS features as Android.
Like, look at how ARKit does point cloud sharing vs ARCore. iOS limits sharing scanned AR environments to peer-to-peer local connections, and it’s a totally opaque object. Android meanwhile uploads your scanned room to a Google server, and the privacy terms for that data are the same as the ones for Youtube, search, maps, etc.
It drives me crazy how many FOSS nerds will rail against Facebook’s data collection and chokepoint capitalism, but then go on to praise Android for standing up to that no-good Apple. They hear “I can sideload apps” and they drop all of their recent cynicism about why they’re getting nifty stuff at a hefty discount.
I have a $1200 Pixel phone. I don’t think I’m getting anything at a discount. I’m just not delude into thinking apple respects privacy.
Apple blocked everyone from app tracking, except themselves. They spun this as a win for consumers and every idiot believes them. Now apple has exclusive rights to your usage data and sells it to advertisers. They cut out the competition. They did not protect your privacy.
When you realize Apple’s privacy is a facade, what value are you gaining? Not much. Google’s software is vastly superior. Google maps vs Apple maps, Assistant vs Siri, Gmail, Photos, call screening, etc, etc.
Google has much better software and they charge for it in data/ads instead of money, but there’s a much better reason to choose android over IOS: It’s open-source, so people have created free software variants of it that retain compatibility with existing apps while respecting your privacy and freedom.
In case you care about that, give grapheneOS or calyxOS a shot on your pixel.
If you install a custom build, doesn’t that break OS verification (or whatever the name of it was)? Meaning things like Google wallet, but more importantly some banking apps, will fail to work?
I mean, FOSS nerds run android de-googled (or more specifically never install google services on a custom ROM).
That’s not an Android problem, that’s a Google Play Services problem. You can run Android without all the Google bullshit.
Not to mention that you can at least install third party app stores like f-droid. For me Apple is the epitome of evil giant corporation that is consistently abusing it’s market power and getting a pass from regulatory bodies.
Don’t get me wrong, Google aren’t great either, but if I have to choose between them I would pick Google any day.
I’ll give apple this one thing.
They are really, really good at backup.
I recently had to wipe my dad’s iPhone, I manually backed up his pictures just to make absolutely certain they were all saved but everything else I didn’t even bother.
I logged him back into his apple account and everything immediately started downloading again.
With Google, you’ll get your text messages. Your contacts, your pictures, your videos. Maybe your YouTube history and subscriptions but any random app probably uses Google backup services but it might not.
I’ll give Apple another thing
I was on Android for years. Galaxies and Pixels. Around the 2 year mark they were always barely working and with a battery that needed to be topped off several times a day. Slow, hot, poor battery, glitchy. Always
I got a 12 pro at release and it’s rock solid as the day I got it and I have no intentions of upgrading it. I’ve used it since launch with no case and yeah it’s for a few scratches here and there but despite all the drops etc it has no cracks either. It’s a tank. A tank that just keeps fucking working as it should.
but it’s incredible how far they’re able to enforce privacy, down to the hardware level, while still giving devs almost the same level of control over OS features as Android.
I don’t give a shit about devs. I want that control for users. Until they allow users to do what they want, they can get fucked.
Privacy through the use of user restrictions is not acceptable either. It’s my god damn phone, don’t you dare tell me what I can’t do on it “for my protection”.
It’s like saying a security firm is the best in the world at keeping clients safe, because they lock those clients in a vault and don’t let them leave.
Privacy for freedom is not a good trade for those enthusiasts your frustrated with. They will accept Google’s shit because the alternative is getting in a fucking cage.
I can’t scrobble my music to last.fm on iOS without some janky workaround. The “almost same level of control” part of what you said relies on an assumption that only the set of use cases explicitly determined by Apple as ones that “matter” are worth supporting. That it’s more important to prevent the user from explicitly allowing a scrobbling app permission to read the music player app’s now playing notification than for the device to be able to perform this simple function.
This point of difference doesnt have any meaningful impact on collection of my data. It just stops the device from being able to do the function I want. So that what, I can sleep easier knowing that Apple designed a slick interface to point out data vectors which were already implied to be collected? It used to feel like a smartphone with training wheels, now they’ve just locked up the handlebars so that it’s easier to go straight.
Apple does objectively suck for many reasons though.
Also, important to note that what you’re describing as their privacy focus is a deliberate rebranding exercise after a huge ,global failure with icloud and things like police access to their systems/data and public backlash.
They are only here now, in this brief moment, because of necessity and like any of this, it’s typically a pendulum. As soon as they don’t have to do this (which probably sounds a lot like users like you defending their security bonafides publicly on their behalf), they will start to creep away and de-prioritize privacy and security.
I’m with you on this, I used to avoid using apple products at all costs due to the way they are so anti consumer and lock you in heavily to their ecosystem.
But in terms of security and privacy they aren’t even playing on the same level. Android will never be as privacy or security focused as apple due to the way google runs its business so long term a Linux mobile operating system would be the dream.
Until then I stick with what I can use which is the apple products for now.
Apple makes money by selling expensive devices.
Google makes money by selling ads.
You can figure out the rest of the equation.
Just be glad you’re on Android and have alternatives to this. Poor Apple users are stuck with whatever Apple decided to do with the app store.
Poor Apple users kinda don’t have to deal with this shit
Can confirm on my own device. Only ad in sight is for two dots itself at the top … I kept scrolling looking for one and didn’t see any.
Lol the ad is also the very same thing you’re searching for
Yes, Poor Apple Users are stuck with no ads at all! What a Shame
Yeah Apple doesn’t do this to the users whatsoever.
Whats the ad situation on app store, do they aggressively push stuff into your throats there as well?
Not at all from my experience. The App Store generally looks cleaner and more organised.
I hope for your sake that they at least stick to that. The google approach seems to be that they are too big to fail and that they can keep doing what they want, and what they want, apparently is more space for ads!
Unfortunately that seems to be the case with Google products (see YouTube on mobile). Most users might not even care about the excessive ads and Google knows that.
Luckily, there seem to be many alternatives on Android. If Apple was to ad-ify the App Store, you wouldn’t have that many options (outside of jailbreaking and maybe the Altstore).
Google made 80% of its revenue from ads last year. No wonder they’re trying to force ads everywhere they can
That’s soon to change when regulations come in to force apple to allow sideloading.
Google is an advertising company.
I’d take the in-store ads if they enforced consistent behavior for in-app ads. It’s infuriating to have an ad that plays for 30sec or whatever, only to then force you to wait ANOTHER 5-15sec on the title card for the close button to appear. Or, worse yet, have an ad that automatically opens the Play Store unless you can hit the 2px close button.
They just recently (like in the past few weeks) added an ad slot in the ios app store that I actively hate, but it’s the first one that’s just there (and not in search). Just wait though. Soon the app store will look exactly like this shot of the play store.
Afaik it’s not nearly at all like this. Doesn’t change the fact that you have absolutely no alternatives, though. If apple did decide to do this, you couldn’t just sideload the apps yourself.
Anyone got any of that Linux phone
Yes but it’s still more of a toy than actually worth using.
It’ll get there eventually, it always does.
I think what’s worrying is what the landscape will look like when it’s done. E-sims are a very bad sign for the future. It gives much more granular choices in what phones they permit on the network.
I worry that as long as Apple is out here spouting bullshit about scanning people’s messages to protect them from “nudes”, eventually we’ll reach a place where any phone that isn’t actively monitoring its user will be perceived as doing something criminal and blocked out.
Just a moment to note that Apple backtracked on all those threats about CSAM scanning and now doesn’t support the technology being implemented.
You mean the EU and German government proposals for a few years? :/ Luckily courts block that so far but who knows what will be next and where in it will happen!
I wish some of the apps I use were feasible on a Linux phone. I would love to switch.
Waydroid has you covered… Soon™
I’ll be sure to hold my breath.
Sxmo postmarketos pinephone is definitely daily driveable! Fediverse apps have webapps n stuff. Its doable, but you gotta be willing to put up with a lot :/
Do they make phones?
“Linux” does not make phones, no.
But there are several small projects currently working on a linux-based alternative to iOS and Android. A true 3rd option has been sorely needed for a very long time, but never as much as it is now.
Try out Aurora Store. Just started testing it. Looks and works similar to play store but without adds. You
can login withshould not use your main google account.https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.aurora.store/
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Pro tip - Avoid using your main account because it might get blocked permanently by Google.
Why?
I didn’t appreciated the FDroid UX until Google app designers lost their damn minds. Now it makes me feel relief.
I recommend droidfy
I also prefer the UI of Droid-ify and it seems to work better than F-Droid
Can reccomend Droid-ify, it’s my favorite F-Droid client.
Theres a fork of f-droid with a slightly friendlier UI, called foxy droid, if you want to give it a shot!
I did not know that. I’ll give it a look for sure.
Try neo store, it’s pretty cool
The Apple App Store isn’t much better. I searched for the Mint Mobile app the other day and the top hit was an ad for something completely unrelated that didn’t even have mint or mobile in its name.
