“It goes way beyond money.”
LOL no it doesn’t.
They’re referring to the “halo effect” of Apple accepting the claim of antisemitism.
Truthful or not, Apple is sort of an “influencer” when it comes to ethics, with one of the few openly gay CEOs in big tech and a history of doing, or at least claiming to do, the right thing when any negative labor practices are revealed.
I think there is a sense that if Apple is willing to walk away, it’s a signal to other companies that the problem is real.
I think there is a sense that if Apple is willing to walk away, it’s a signal to other companies that the problem is real.
I agree that Apple may be the canary in the coal mine but I propose a motive beyond ethics.
It may be that Apple has seen a reduction in traffic from ads on Twitter recently and this latest move by Musk, coupled with everything else, gave them leverage to get out of any contracted ad buys. They pull ineffective ads, help their brand and ethics image, and save money doing it.
The cynic in me says whatever the motivation the largest driver is financial.
My reading of the “it’s not just about money” statement was, “it’s not just about losing Apple’s advertising spend”.
I agree, and I may have muddled that in my response. I was more proposing an alternative to Apple’s “influencer” in ethics status being a driver for their departure, or for other companies.
Positing that ethics may be a factor but ultimately that Apple’s motivation is financial and other businesses understand that. They’ll see it as the tide turning to where Twitter advertising is going to start hurting brands this the halo effect.
The cynic in me says whatever the motivation the largest driver is financial.
Always is. “Ethics” is just a guide to survival as a society- corporate ethics is really just a guide to survival, too. Which is why so many corporations seem unethical to people… their guide to survival is “lie cheat and steal”… where people see that as problematic.
You are talking like Apple isn’t still pumping elons garbage through their devices for a 30% cut.
They’d pull the app if they really cared.
You are talking like Apple isn’t still pumping elons garbage through their devices for a 30% cut.
While Apple takes a 30% cut of app sales, as far as I know, they don’t make money from people using the free app. I don’t know that Twitter offers any in-app purchases that would be processed through Apple’s payment system.
Why would they pull an app that millions of their customers enjoy and may well have purchased their devices for, just because the owner said something they don’t like?
It’s sad that anyone would associate Apple with ethics. They clearly haven’t looked into their China factories.
Just 8 years ago Apple and Google settled a lawsuit where they kept pay for engineers down by having an illegal non-poaching agreement where they agreed to not recruit each others talent.
They are all bastards.
I agree. But that seems to be the perception. I mean, it’s easy to imagine Apple taking a stand against antisemitism, but a little more difficult to imagine Samsung or Motorola taking such a stand.
But as to whether their actual on-the-ground ethical standards are any better than the competition, I rather doubt it.
I didn’t know Tim Cook was gay today I learned
Ya, I’m gladdened to see that it’s not part of his story at every turn. I feel like that’s a positive thing. Acceptance is good.
It was a huge part of his story when Apple was dodging taxes, mostly because they used PR to kind of hide behind him just coming out as a cudgel to say any criticism or questions about Apple tax dodging were driven by homophobia.
It’s sickening when rich people use minority status to hand wave away legitimate criticism that has nothing to do with their minority status.
Guy was running the richest company in the US and had a large team of private security at his behest but he was “brave” for coming out as gay. There was so much PR pushing that the time it was gross.
Nah the no-name poverty-stricken kid growing up in a tiny town in the South who risks having the living shit kicked out of him daily for being gay is the kind of person who is brave for coming out. Not a top paid corporate board member who is basically untouchable.
I’m not saying Tim Cook has never faced discrimination, but as the CEO of Apple? His position of power absolutely insulates him from the worst abuses most in the LGBT community face.
Hes probably gay more than just today too.
why did it take IBM and Apple so long to figure out which song was playing on the juke box here
They’ve known all along they just didn’t care until it threatened their own reputations. Musk really shit the bed this time.
“Our AI data science projections state we won’t lose money until musk really gets into white supremacy, so let’s keep those ads pumping until that happens.”
Hmm… I think you need to work “blockchain” in there somehow.
Blockchain is yesterday’s buzzword, it would just take up space where you could mention AI again. AI, the future of business! Powered by AI!
The scary part though is blockchain is actually a buzzword when it comes to profiting within a business. Having an impermeable ledger that’s computationally expensive really doesn’t further profits outside of being a shitty product that can be offered.
Having an AI that can do in 5 seconds what took a set of PhD data scientists with no morals to do in 5 weeks is more frightening. (Yes I know the data scientists are the ones now training and using the AI)
Immediate pricing model to determine maximum profit every few seconds based on aggregate sales, market conditions, and demographic targeting? Check
Determining minimum viable wages and benefits to keep employee retention while continuing to grow profits? Check
Figuring out every tax and legal loophole to avoid paying taxes by going through trillions of transactions? Check
Determining “maximum cost of human life” or “maximum environmental impact” that won’t be detrimental to profits? Check
Planning product launches specifically around planned obsolescence? Check
Sabotaging competitors through social media and other means? Check
The list goes on and on, but AI is by no means a buzzword in business circles. It is a way to hyper-accelerate capitalism.
The big investors in AI don’t give a shit whether or not it makes for a good chatbot. They want a drop-in CEO that can accelerate quarterly profits per compute cycle.
I mean, one of those companies sold machines to actual Nazis to tabulate the Holocaust.
Exactly, often the moral low bar is determined by profitability. Money > morals.
I think the point is that it started threatening their reputation a long time ago. Why are they suddenly drawing a line here?
Apple still has no problem pumping this to hundreds of millions of people through their app store for a 30% cut.
Do they really care?
Pull the app.
every fucking post on this website is about this guy I don’t give a shit holy fuck stop posting him
I have a filter against his name on mobile, really wished I could do the same on desktop
How do you set this filter? Need it for Linux
Just figured out a way! Add this filter to uBlock Origin:
lemmy.world##div.post-listing:has(span:has-text("/elon musk/i"))More on how to filter works: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Procedural-cosmetic-filters
Preach!
Again? Is it gonna stick this time? You promise?
X is as finished as Trump!
Oh no
Time to create that Mastodon account you have been meaning to, the dual post for a while until your network is established and then delete X.
Some people seem to bounce off Mastodon, saying that it doesn’t have the content that they were looking for. I’d suggest that it probably does have the content that you are looking for, but you can’t expect instantly see everything you are looking for from a fresh account.
People have spent years building up their twitter feeds; finding the people they like to follow, and browsing for new things, getting recommendations, and removing they stuff they don’t like. You can’t expect to match that level of content 10 mins after signing up on Mastodon. You will have to look around and tell it what you want to see before it will be what you want it to be.
The difference is that Twitter has suggestions and algorithms to help you find your way around. Mastodon is all manual.
What, did he buy it again?
So they always say… and then keep reading and posting tweets all day every day.
On Wednesday, Musk appeared to endorse an antisemitic post by user @breakingbaht alleging that “Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.” In response, Musk posted, “You have spoken the actual truth.”
The original post seemed to echo the beliefs of the “great replacement” conspiracy theory, which is popular among white supremacists and right-wing extremists.
And yet, all my Jewish friends are white.
Schrodinger’s whiteness…
Jewish people tend to not be considered white even though they are oftentimes fair skinned, blue eyes, etc.
In the US, Italian and Irish immigrants also used to not be considered white either. It’s a label applied to groups when it’s most convenient. Doesn’t necessarily have a lot of logic behind it beyond racism.
The only people who consider white-passing Jewish people as non-white are actual white supremacists and Neo-Nazis.
Normal people just assume if you look white, you are white, because they aren’t obsessed with breaking down ethnicities into a hierarchy.
Anyone who wasn’t an Anglo Saxon Protestant was a second class citizen in America for a loooooooooong time.
This is the answer. Being “white” in the US didn’t have much to do with your skin tone. It was more closely linked to ancestry, religion, and class.
The Irish or Polish weren’t “white” but that didn’t mean that anyone thought they were Black. My understanding of the Indian caste system is incomplete, but it seems like a closer model to the racist hierarchy in the US than anything else I’ve seen.
- WASP and have the receipts (DAR membership, for example)
- WASP and no one can say otherwise (named Smith or Jones)
- WASP adjacent (Protestants from Germany, Scandinavia, etc.)
- Catholics and Orthodox Christians
- Jews
- POC. Depending on location, your mileage will vary but you’re still at the bottom
Schrodinger’s whiteness…
It always is.
X I don’t care about.
Not seeing this shit in my feed constantly, now that would be nice.
You can always just add his name as a filtering keyword. Tools are available to help you.
Imagine filtering “musk”, “Biden”, “trump”, and “communism and socialism are good and moral and it has always worked every time we tried it” from Lemmy.
“There’s nothing here. Please refresh.”
Not quite.
“I use Arch BTW”
My feed would still consist of mostly the same thing: Linux and Linux memes.
Could be worse. That would certainly address the occasional problem with doom scrolling for whoever gets caught in that.
Starship launch tomorrow though, wouldn’t want to miss out on hype because of something titled “Elon Musk’s Starship Rocket” etc… I’m a big space nerd and while Elon is a dork this rocket will be a massive leap for everything space related if it works out.
Fuck X/Twitter though, sick of hearing about it for sure. I’ve heard rumours that SpaceX only does as well as they do because they have Shotwell running the show and they have Elon wranglers to keep him away from anything important…
Thanks for sharing. Feel free to blame Musk. He’s the one who renamed it to X, which is impossible to filter out.
You could filter out Twitter and realistically filter out a large chunk of them. Shit’s usually referred to “X, formerly known as Twitter…” in most posts I see.
Could just make a lemmy-wide rule to always deadname it in post titles. But good luck with that since people still won’t put it all in enoughmuskspam.
Pretty much, that’s my policy anyway. People still tweet there too, none of this “posted on X, formerly known as Twitter.” Fucker trying to use up more characters everywhere.
There’s no such thing as a lemmy-wide rule
No shit, dumbass, I meant a voluntary one, not one enforced by programmatic rules.
Oh shit, I replied to this guy again lol
Meaning?
I got the exact same reply from someone last week, not exactly a discussion starter. So I was curious and sure enough it’s the same guy!
However you did edit in some context here and indeed that’s the problem with trying to filter out a single letter keyword… Though I doubt Elon had the sense to do it intentionally.
I also quote Bartles & Jaymes on occasion.
edit: the funny part here is that I haven’t said “Thanks for sharing” that much, it’s fairly new. And I don’t remember usernames, so the fact you’ve gotten it twice already is special.
I recently blocked /c/enoughmuskspam, which, ironically, was only musk spam
Is that beard to make him look younger? Because it looks like that beard you sometimes see on young guys figuring out that they can’t really grow a decent beard…
He probably tries to copy the look of the Chad meme, as many other right wing extremists do, but he doesn’t have the hair growth necessary.
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So… t?
No, T
How many times does he have to sign the warrant before it actually dies tho?
3 times, but he has to do it in front of a mirror. When he was about to do the third time he renamed it, thus resetting the counter.
Again?
What is IBM advertising there?
International BMs
Bowel movements or business machines?
Brainy Men.
You got it!
Black matter
The worst of manners from all across the world.
Any one of the large brands they own, I assume: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_IBM
Census machines.
Probably thinkpads or some enterprise stuff.
Thinkpads were sold off to Lenovo 18 years ago.
Huh. Thought IBM owned Lenovo.
Not at all. Always been a Chinese company. And I’m just now learning that IBM sold them their server business in 2014, and they also bought Motorola in the same year.
Which raises the question: What does IBM even do anymore?
Consulting. So much consulting.
Canada hired IBM to make a payroll system for federal employees. Supposed to replace all the disparate systems, amalgamate all the branches, etc. They royally fucked it up. Phoenix pay system if you want to look it up.
Make people mad about Redhat.
*edit - s/made/mad😩
Speaking as a guy who grew up on Redhat…. Fuck RHEL
They own Redhat.
/throws up
I think it’s basically high end military r&d and extensions of it into corporate services
Well based on an above comment and the linked wikipedia page acquiring small tech companies I guess
Very Stable Genius v. 2.0
Wasn’t that the other idiot?
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