The point of it is ro share your experience and show it can be done to the “rabble”

There’s nothing to figure out in the “how” part though. It’s just a question of the person having the motivation to make personal sacrifices with tangible effects in the present for a less tangible benefit in the future.

Saying how I’d be the exception in this case seems more like boasting than really doing something constructive. That’s not my style.

I’m running with your “for the sake of argument” scenario and constructing a fairy-tale-level example to illustrate why the average citizen of a democracy has a reason to care.

Okay, I didn’t see the point you were going for until now. You’re only illustrating something in the fairy tale scenario though, because reality is more nuanced than “green people just plain are 10% dumber and everything else is the same”. This is sort of what I was talking about originally: when this subject comes up, most of the time people don’t account for these nuances, either due to bad faith or just ignorance.

If I’ve got the statistics right, on average 75 of those random green people will be less intelligent than you (and 25 more intelligent). I am surprised and expected the numbers to be less skewed.

Same here, assuming your math was correct. I’m actually not entirely sure what the correct number would be.

I wouldn’t expect 75 of those random green people to also be poorer than you, but 60-65 sounds reasonable.

But this sounds roughly in line with what I’d expect. So in the hypothetical situation of meeting 100 random green and 100 random purple people, 50 purples would be poorer than me, 60-65 greens would be poorer than me. Technically you wouldn’t be wrong to say “mostly green poor” but the numbers are pretty close to even.

Then my post did its job of making you think about

My position on that sort of thing is already pretty well established but fair enough.

It also appears on the HF leaderboard now so you can get a very general idea of how (at least the 70b model) compares: https://huggingface.co/spaces/HuggingFaceH4/open_llm_leaderboard

I couldn’t imagine bragging to the world about how I have no moral spine and will suck off

You realize I’m speaking generally, right?

In fact, I’ve never once used Uber or Lyft in my entire life. My point is that the average person isn’t going to push for something that has a tangible negative effect right now to possible make things better in the murky future.

Now I could say: Well, the rabble sucks but I on the other hand am a cut above the rest. I’m one of the few who is willing to make the tough choices and endure whatever sacrifices are necessary to Do What’s Right. But hey, talk is cheap so what’s the point really? I guess if I’d added a bit about how special and great I am (it’s true!) I might have avoided having my fellating skills become part of the discussion.

I spent a good part of my post arguing a difference in intelligence (even if we accept it currently exists) 1) isn’t necessarily inherent, and 2) raw IQ isn’t necessarily the only factor that goes into being intelligent. So why did you your response just go ahead and disregard all that and assume the green people are simply inherently less intelligent and everything else is equal?

or take money from the mostly-purple rich and give it to the mostly-green poor.

Weird assumption.

Let’s say I’m a purple person with completely average intelligence. If I meet 100 random other purple people, statistically 50 of them are going to be less intelligent than me. Right? Now I meet 100 random green people. How many of them on average are going to be less intelligent than me?

But you probably live in a democracy which means you have a small say in policy and need to think about whether a policy will do what you want before you support it.

If I had to choose - without knowing my color in advance, I’d have no problem going for the world where if I lucked into being born as purple my ability to be wealthy would be subject to a slight limitation.

More like:

Predatory pricing

exists.

Don’t hold your breath waiting for anything to catch up to the 1%. To be honest, I don’t know the average person even really want it to. I mean, suppose I use Uber. Am I really going to be out there writing letters to my congresscritter pressuring them to force Uber to stop selling their product below cost and consequently make my Uber rides significantly more expensive? “Oh man, I sure wish Amazon would stop selling me such cheap products with next day shipping. This problem needs to be fixed, they’re hurting the free market!”

Eventually the frog might get boiled, but that’s some time in the future. The frog is feeling comfy now.

Its about time we start looking into alternatives to the transformer model.

People have been looking into alternatives. If you read the paper, you can see that they compare their approach to a bunch of different alternatives/modifications. Naturally they claim it comes out looking very favorable, but we’ll have to wait and see if the models/code they release actually perform as well as they’re saying and non-obvious downsides.

It’s not an easy thing to get right.

Whether the IQ part is true or not, there’s basically no reason for the average person to bring it up or account for it. Doing so doesn’t do anything except provide fuel for bigotry.

You also made a number of assumptions about the causes for lower IQ, survival rates, etc. It doesn’t necessary have to be the result of anything inherent in the people. For example, economic disparity can also have an impact. Let’s not forget that segregation in the US wasn’t even that long ago: in the US at least, blacks essentially were robbed of generational wealth, educational opportunities. They had a higher chance of ending up in areas polluted by industry, forced to move by eminent domain, etc. Even today, people with black-sounding names are significantly (I recall around 50%) less likely to get a call back for job interviews.

IQ really doesn’t just measure intelligence in a complete vacuum. Education is a factor, and people can learn to get better scores on IQ tests.

Finally, let’s say for the sake of argument people with a certain skin color are just plain 10% intelligent. If you meet a random person, what does that tell you? You have no idea of whether that person is more or less intelligent than the average even if the odds are slightly higher that they’d be less intelligent. Intelligence also isn’t necessarily that valuable all by itself: what’s the point of a super powerful sports car with bald tires or an empty gas tank? One also has to be able to apply those abilities in a constructive way: so attitude, motivation, work ethic, etc are also all very important.

It wouldn’t be hard for someone, let’s say 20% less intelligent but that is dedicated to learning, analyzing their problems and is motivated to outperform someone that is 20% more intelligent but lazy and unmotivated.

Very sorry to contradict you, but this is absolute shit.

To be clear, I’m talking in relative terms. Would you argue that ChatGPT did a massively better job and didn’t write “absolute shit”?

It looks good on the surface, but that’s all.

From some of the stuff I’ve seen published, that might just be enough for certain people. I could even be that “certain people” from time to time, sometimes just the right theme, setting and some time to fill is sufficient.

65B LLaMA models can actually do a pretty good job of writing. Here’s two examples with Guanaco 65B (bold part is my prompt):

tags: fairy tale, animals, dog, wolf, fox, death, humor, dark storyline, violence, loss

Animals in a forest setting investigate a series of gruesome murders that recently occured. Written in the style of classics like Animal Farm and Watership Down, the writing is vivid and very descriptive. The dialog is thoughtful and often quite witty. It’s clear the author really understands animal behavior and has done their research well!

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Chapter 1: An Unfortunate Discovery

A fox by species, a detective by trade, you’ll only have reason to know my name if the worst has come to pass. It’s nearly winter and a bitter wind drives stinging sleet into my face, but it’s still not as chilling as the scene before me now…

I was summoned here by an urgent message from a panicked hedgehog. She told me she found her friend lying dead on his doorstep with his throat ripped out - black fur matted with blood. I rushed over immediately and saw for myself what had happened. He looked so peaceful despite being cut down in his prime - a young wolf just starting doing well for himself - taken too soon. His home nearby showed no signs of struggle or forced entry. Whoever did this must have caught him off guard somehow. I didn’t hear any howling either. That would have been easy enough to miss though since he lived alone deep in these woods where few creatures tread. I made sure to secure the crime scene and look around carefully without disturbing anything more than necessary until other investigators arrived. They should be here soon. We can’t afford to lose evidence in cases like this. Times are already hard enough as it is…

As I waited and pondered who might have committed such a horrible act, something felt wrong about all this. Surely a predator like me could smell another predator’s scent? But there were none that stood out among the melange of odors lingering here. How strange…

Soon after, several others joined me including some friends of mine. A stoic bear named Growler, grumpy badger called Grumpus, and a kindly old raccoon who goes by “Doc” due to his extensive knowledge of medicinal plants and wildlife biology. Together we began our investigation proper by gathering clues and questioning nearby witnesses while trying to minimize contamination through contact with them (we took care to put up caution tape first). Unfortunately, they hadn’t seen much useful apart from occasional glimpses of movement deeper in the undergrowth. Still, we decided to check those areas next along with searching the surrounding woodlands thoroughly for any additional victims. And find one we did, although sadly she suffered the same fate as poor George. Another young wolf lay beside a stream, body cold and stiffening. Someone snapped her neck cleanly like a twig. This couldn’t be coincidence surely? Not two deaths in quick succession like this.

<prompt> before me or what I must relay when I return home. My mind races with questions as I survey this brutal crime scene; who could do such a thing? Why was no one there to stop them? And how many more victims lie undiscovered further out in these woods? A lone paw print leads away from where a rabbit family once happily resided, now reduced to bloody scraps scattered among splintered twigs and torn fur. This isn’t just some random predator attack, something far more sinister is at play here…

I turn back toward town, determined to find answers. As I trudge through the snow, each step feels heavier than the last. How will I break the news to those closest to them? What words can possibly bring comfort after so much senseless suffering? I shake my head, trying to focus on the task at hand. There are others depending on me right now, they need someone strong and steady to guide them through this darkness. I won’t let them down.

The first person I see upon entering town is old man Badger, his white whiskers blown about by the gusting wind. He looks up at me expectantly, “Well Fox, did you find anything?” His voice quavers slightly, betraying his concern for the missing families.

“I’m afraid I have bad news,” I say somberly, “there were signs of a struggle near the burrow entrance, but no survivors.”

Badger sighs heavily, “Dear me, this is worse than we feared. We must alert the council immediately!”

We hurry over to the meeting hall, a large hollow tree that serves as our central gathering place. Inside, several other animals are already waiting anxiously for word of their loved ones. They look up hopefully as we enter, then quickly realize the grim tidings we bear. A collective groan fills the room, followed by muffled sobs and whispered prayers.

Mayor Bear calls for order, her deep voice cutting through the din. She motions for us to join her at the front of the room, “Please tell us everything you saw, Fox. Every detail may be important.”

This guy is directly descended from the founder of Saudi Arabia – on both his parents’ sides. He’s part of a family that’s brought an entire country – Yemen – on the brink of death

How could it possibly be reasonable to judge a person based on their lineage?

Not to mention he’s part of one of the most brutal, draconian regimes anywhere in the world.

What does “part of” mean here? He’s setting/enabling those policies personally?

He has plenty of power and privilege to relinquish ties with his family and use his newfound platform to bring attention to the hideous regime in Saudi Arabia.

It’s pretty common for people to get involved in just one cause. I live in America but I’m not spending a lot of time speaking out about treatment of Native Americans even though as an average American I’ve benefited from stuff like their land being taken away. Maybe he, I, we all should do more of that kind of thing but just the fact that we aren’t actively and vocally speaking out about it doesn’t mean we’re responsible for it or endorsing it.

So far, none of your criticism seemed to be about anything the guy did personally. I’m not familiar with him, maybe he’s actually a terrible person. If you’re going to criticize or condemn him, you should pick something he actually did rather than who his parents are or the fact that he was born into some kind of position of privilege.